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    Smile The Baltimore Ravens Football Team

    Debate:
    Before there was the Baltimore Ravens, there was DipNic '87.
    The Ravens is a football team, should it take the singular or plural verb form?

    Meaning of sentence is-Before there was the Baltimore Ravens Football Team, there was DipNic '87.
    should 'were ' be used
    Why or why not
    please give resources
    thanks
    Charles

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    Default Re: The Baltimore Ravens Football Team

    In American English, we usually refer to teams, organizations, companies, etc. as singular entities.

    In British English, they are usually plural.

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    Default Re: The Baltimore Ravens Football Team

    Why do the Brits consider "a team" to be plural? Are they referring to the team members?
    If the owner sells the team, do they say 'The team were sold.'?

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    Default Re: The Baltimore Ravens Football Team

    As I understand it, not every speaker of British English uses that form, but many do and it is perfectly acceptable. If the plural sounds odd to your ear, use the singular; no one will correct you.

    Actually, the more I think about this, the more I realize that (in America) teams can be either singular or plural, depending on the context, but they're usually plural.

    By the way, in American English we refer to teams with singular names (Miami Heat, Utah Jazz, etc.) as plural entities.

    For example, let's say that the Chicago Bulls played basketball against the Miami Heat last night. A conversation between Bill and Al might go like this:

    Bill: "Did you see the game last night? The Bulls were awful."

    Al: "Well, the Heat weren't much better."

    Bill: "They were good enough to beat the Bulls."

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    Default Re: The Baltimore Ravens Football Team

    I understand what you are saying. But for the sake of the person who posed this question, I will state the view that when one says "The Bulls were awful." or "They were good enough to beat the Bulls.", one is specifically referring to the players, who are 'only' a part of the team.
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