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    Can one say:

    a. I am a philosopher as a hobby, but my job is teaching physics.
    b. I am a philosopher for a hobby, but my job is teaching physics.

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    My vocation is teaching physics, my avocation is philosophy.

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    My job is teaching physics; my hobby is studying philosophy.
    My job is teaching physics; my hobby is the study of philosophy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beanfromex View Post
    My vocation is teaching physics, my avocation is philosophy.
    Sorry, avocation just isn't a word used in English. No normal English person would understand it.

    The choice of sentence depends on what point you are making... are you apologising for teaching physics, or are you apologising for being interested in philosophy. Which is more important?

    The use of BUT is crucial... it implies that the previous phrase is negated....as in the typical polititian's comment:

    I really sincerely and totally agree with everything he said BUT....I think what he said is rubbish! BUT negates everything!

    BUT is an incredibly powerful word in English...it can have the power to say: however, despite everything that has been said already, THIS IS WHAT I THINK.....

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    Pedant,

    Sorry, I do not understand what you have written re avocation.

    My encylopedic edition of Websters defines avocation as:
    n. an occupation, esp. one followed for pleasure, or one of minor importance.

    When you wrote " no normal person would use it" were you implying it was archaic or it was too advanced for ESL use?

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    "Avocation" is really too pedantic/archaic. Most people would not use it to describe an activity that they do in their own time.

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    Anglika,

    Could you please cite your references for your above comment?

    I have looked in the three dictionaries I own and none cite "pedantic" or "Archaic" in the usage labels.

    One only cites "archaic" in a primary sense use of the word "avocation" meaning diversion/distraction. The second sense of that word is listed a "hobby".

    I am hoping to clarify this for my own personal interest....or as a normal person might say.." I don't get it and it's bugging me". (smiling)

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    Anglika,

    Could you please cite your references for your above comment?

    I have looked in the three dictionaries I own and none cite "pedantic" or "Archaic" in the usage labels.

    One only cites "archaic" in a primary sense use of the word "avocation" meaning diversion/distraction. The second sense of that word is listed a "hobby".

    I am hoping to clarify this for my own personal interest....or as a normal person might say.." ". (smiling)

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    I hold by my statement - for most people "avocation" is not the word that comes to mind if you ask them about their spare time activities - "My hobbies are walking, reading and listening to music " is what you will hear most people say. Even in formal cvs I would be extremely surprised if someone says "My avocations are ...".

    "Avocation" = an auxiliary occupation, something you do as well as your normal occupation. It can also be used to mean your usual occupation/employment.

    If you trawl through all the dictionary references online, you will find a very wide range of interpretation, from the simple one of "hobby" through to complex ones. My contention is that the use of "avocation" as synonymous for "hobby" is stretching the meaning, and is certainly not a colloquial use.

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    Angelika,
    I agree most people would not use avocation.
    My inquiry was more to your choice of pedantic and archaic, and what online dictionary you used as your reference.
    I suggest anyone interested in this word and it's uses, do a Google search.
    Obviously, we disagree with the usage of this word.
    Take care.

    The quotes below are from brainyquotes.com.

    The avocation of assessing the failures of better men can be turned into a comfortable livelihood, providing you back it up with a Ph.D.
    Nelson Algren

    I was heavily involved in photography; it was an avocation from the time I was a little kid-I like taking pictures. And all of that stuff kind of came together.
    John Dykstra

    Giving parties is a trivial avocation, but it pays the dues for my union card in humanity.
    Elsa Maxwell

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