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    Default Help please - why the i after g rule doesn't work!!!

    Hi all,

    Could you please tell me why the rule in regard pronouncing g as j with i e or y doesn't appear to be very reliable with i. Example i in gift! Should be jift according to the rule but isn't and I can't see a pattern!

    Many thanks in advance


    Mak

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    Default Re: Help please - why the i after g rule doesn't work!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by makaveli View Post
    Hi all,

    Could you please tell me why the rule in regard pronouncing g as j with i e or y doesn't appear to be very reliable with i. Example i in gift! Should be jift according to the rule but isn't and I can't see a pattern!

    Many thanks in advance


    Mak
    There are a lot of exceptions in English pronunciation rules. The words "gift, give" are two of them.

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    Default Re: Help please - why the i after g rule doesn't work!!!

    And not only 'i':
    Gear

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    Default Re: Help please - why the i after g rule doesn't work!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Tdol View Post
    And not only 'i':
    Gear
    And not only "Gear" but also "get".
    Last edited by Harry Smith; 07-Jun-2007 at 12:49.

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    Default Re: Help please - why the i after g rule doesn't work!!!

    Less than a week after the birthday of 'the father of jet propulsion' Frank Whittle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, get is an appropriate example

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    Default Re: Help please - why the i after g rule doesn't work!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by makaveli View Post
    Example i in gift! Should be jift according to the rule but isn't and I can't see a pattern!
    To uncover it, you might have to look into the etymology of each word as well as the history of the English language and historical linguistics. For example, the following two words, below, borrow the Latin prefix gigas- (meaning giant) and it's pronounced with hard G:

    hard G: gigabyte
    soft G: gigantic

    There's also this near minimal pair: soft 'G' gist (from Anglo-French) and hard 'G' gift (Old Norse).

    From Word Pronunciation - Hard and Soft C and G Sounds


    Exceptions
    Nothing is easy - so there are some exceptions to these rules. These mostly involve giving ‘hard’ pronunciation to words where the rule indicates the ‘soft’ sound. These exceptions include:
    gear, get, gelding, give, girl, gift tiger,

    Present participles of some verbs that end with ‘g’, such as ‘banging’ and ‘ringing’. Other exceptions are foreign words that have been adopted into the English language, such as: gestalt and geisha.
    Try these sites too:

    Carolyn's Corner

    HOW TO USE CONSONANTS IN ENGLISH LANGUAGE / LousyWriter.com teaches you how to write better and how to write correctly

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    Default Re: Help please - why the i after g rule doesn't work!!!

    "Could you please tell me why the rule in regard pronouncing g as j with i e or y doesn't appear to be very reliable with i. Example i in gift! Should be jift according to the rule but isn't and I can't see a pattern!"

    Because none of the "rules" for equating English spelling with English pronunciation are very reliable.

    Our spelling system evolved in a very haphazard manner and we have resisted pretty well most attempts at reform to make it more standard and "phonetic."

    I can offer you no easy method for dealing with this. You'll just have to become familiar with all the eccentric spellings of the written English language like the rest of us.

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    Default Re: Help please - why the i after g rule doesn't work!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by JJM Ballantyne View Post
    "Could you please tell me why the rule in regard pronouncing g as j with i e or y doesn't appear to be very reliable with i. Example i in gift! Should be jift according to the rule but isn't and I can't see a pattern!"

    Because none of the "rules" for equating English spelling with English pronunciation are very reliable.

    Our spelling system evolved in a very haphazard manner and we have resisted pretty well most attempts at reform to make it more standard and "phonetic."

    I can offer you no easy method for dealing with this. You'll just have to become familiar with all the eccentric spellings of the written English language like the rest of us.
    If you use the "Quote" button when responding to a post people will know exactly what post you are responding to.

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    Default Re: Help please - why the i after g rule doesn't work!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by makaveli View Post
    Hi all,

    Could you please tell me why the rule in regard pronouncing g as j with i e or y doesn't appear to be very reliable with i. Example i in gift! Should be jift according to the rule but isn't and I can't see a pattern!

    Many thanks in advance


    Mak
    For the various reasons as given by our esteemed respondents, we teach generalizations not (hard-and-fast) rules in phonics. We always emphasize and list exceptions.

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    Arrow Re: Help please - why the i after g rule doesn't work!!!

    I don't understand what you mean about all these rules!Stupid things!!!!

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