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    Default Re: When "To" is used as a preposition rather than an infinitive?

    engee30, they are beautiful examples.

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    Smile Re: When "To" is used as a preposition rather than an infinitive?

    Quote Originally Posted by Casiopea View Post
    engee30, they are beautiful examples.
    Yes, I like the two as well. Thanks.

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    degemer mat Niall
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    Default Re: When "To" is used as a preposition rather than an infinitive?

    In the examples given by engee30, it seems to me that the use of "towards" gives us the meaning of "towards an aim/something", whereas the use of "to" is "in order to do something".

    In applying your advice to the following sentences i read from a newspaper this morning:
    "Wen denied the swindling charges but pleaded guilty to entering the mainland illegally by using a Hong Kong home return permit under the name Wen Ruiping." (if "towards" something, it makes sense, whereas "in order to", it doesn't. )

    "And when Hong Kong people did declaim - against planned security legislation or in favour of democracy - the response from our administration, again with strong prompts from Beijing, was to give priority to getting the economy moving ahead, in the hope that people would then forget their gripes." ("towards" something rather than "in order to" seems more logical.)

    Am I right?
    Thanks to all.
    BTW, Casiopea, could you tell me what the "verb's subcategorization frame" means?
    Thank you.
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    Wink Re: When "To" is used as a preposition rather than an infinitive?

    Quote Originally Posted by Niall Beag View Post
    I think that's completely different.

    Why?

    Is this the way to Amarillo?
    Do you know the way to San Josť?

    The noun "way" habitually takes a direction (after all, it's just an Anglo-Saxon word for a road, and is still used that way in parts of Scotland), but "room" doesn't.
    Niall, my example sentences have nothing to do with the concrete term of road; instead, they represent a usage of the abstract term of method; that's what I think is completely different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Niall Beag View Post
    I think that's completely different.
    It is. I believe, however, the purpose of engee30's contribution was to show that these structures to + ing and to + bare infinitive can indeed occur in similar enviornments--not the same environments, of course, but similar ones. The point being, to can be ambiguous.

    As for the phrase enough room to(wards) establishing, it works, it's possible, but given the context, its not the best choice.

    We all seem to agree to establish is the phrase that works best in that particular context.

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    Default Re: When "To" is used as a preposition rather than an infinitive?

    Sorry, engee30. I didn't see you there.

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    Talking Re: When "To" is used as a preposition rather than an infinitive?

    Quote Originally Posted by Casiopea View Post
    Sorry, engee30. I didn't see you there.
    No damage has been caused to me!

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    Default Re: When "To" is used as a preposition rather than an infinitive?

    I gather you haven't yet seen the post of yours that I deleted portions of by mistake.

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