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    Default Re: a Kindergarten, the kindergarten, kindergartens?

    Quote Originally Posted by Casiopea View Post
    So, in the following example, are "the kindergarten" and "the voucher" used as generic for the reasons stated above?
    Generic as in; e.g., the group kindergarten, the group voucher? No. In our example, the nouns kindergarten and voucher are individuated. Their referents are known to the person reading the procedures document. Those terms were made clear to the reader prior to their mention here, right?:
    If (the/a) kindergarten(s) can confirm the number of staff and ensure that (the/a) voucher(s) ...
    That they is plural and its referent the kindergarten singular isn't a violation of the grammar. They has a human referent, it does not. The semantics are similar to e.g., the police, they; the committee, they.

    Does that help?[/quote]

    Yeah, it helps. Thanks, Casiopea.

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    Talking Re: a Kindergarten, the kindergarten, kindergartens?

    What makes me ask such a question is this:
    I have been told that when we talk about things/persons closely related to a subject-matter, "the + thing/person" representing a class can be used.
    For example, when we talk about the cruise liner "Queen Elizabeth II", as a subject-matter, people/things within which, like passengers, lifeboats, sailors etc. can be replaced by the passenger, the lifeboat, the sailor, etc. to represent the individual classes. Accordingly, I thus use "the teacher", "the pupil", the headmaster" to represent teachers, pupils, headmasters when talking about the subject-matter "kindergartens", as they are the persons closely related to such institutions . I wondered if it was called "things in the context"? I'm not sure. Maybe I have mistaken the use of the principle.

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    Default Re: a Kindergarten, the kindergarten, kindergartens?

    Mistaken how so? You're absolutely right. Articles are context dependent, so don't forget the sentence you have under discussion (see post #1) is not only out of its context, but that it's not the first sentence in the document.

    Have you decided which of three options available you'll be using?

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    Default Re: a Kindergarten, the kindergarten, kindergartens?

    Quote Originally Posted by albertino View Post
    Since a +count noun, the + singular count noun, plural count nouns can be used for generalisation, what is the suitable aritcle to be used in the following context:

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    DocumentTitle : Procedures on Voucher Redemption by kindergratens

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    ...... If the kindergartens (previously mentioned) can confirm the number of staff to be employed and hope that the vouchers (previously mentioned) can be disbursed in early December 2008, they should submit their plans by XXXXXX. ......
    Last edited by albertino; 02-Jul-2007 at 02:47.

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    Default Re: a Kindergarten, the kindergarten, kindergartens?

    Fantabulous.

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    fantastic + fabulous = fantabulous.

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