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    Question Which one is more natural?

    Hi,

    Which one is more natural?

    1. "it is influenced by all variables previous to it"
    2. "it is influenced by all previous to it variables"

    I know it can be rewritten in other ways, but just want to know which phrase is more natural. I'd vote for the first one, but I am not an English native speaker so have no idea what natural in English is.

    For example: for me this "what natural in English is" sounds completely unnatural, and I have some English colleagues (with really good knowledge of the English language) who would write "what is natural in English"... but still the former is correct and the latter is not (as I think...).

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    Default Re: Which one is more natural?

    Hi,
    I would say "It is influenced by all of the variables that precede it."

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    Question Re: Which one is more natural?

    Quote Originally Posted by Barb_D View Post
    Hi,
    I would say "It is influenced by all of the variables that precede it."

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    Thanks. But between the two I gave, which would you use? (For example, if I need to use one of these constructions to avoid repetition or something.)

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    Default Re: Which one is more natural?

    Without a doubt, of the two you gave: by all variables previous to it

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    Default Re: Which one is more natural?

    Quote Originally Posted by Barb_D View Post
    Without a doubt, of the two you gave: by all variables previous to it
    Thanks! Happy to hear this.

    And what would you say about what I wrote in the starting post of this thread? --
    For example: for me this "what natural in English is" sounds completely unnatural, and I have some English colleagues (with really good knowledge of the English language) who would write "what is natural in English"... but still the former is correct and the latter is not (as I think...).

    I'm just curious.

    Thanks,
    Nyggus

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    Default Re: Which one is more natural?

    For example: for me this "what natural in English is" sounds completely unnatural, and I have some English colleagues (with really good knowledge of the English language) who would write "what is natural in English"... but still the former is correct and the latter is not (as I think...).

    Where have you met "What natural in English is..."?

    The normal phrase would be "What is natural in English".

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    Default Re: Which one is more natural?

    Quote Originally Posted by Anglika View Post
    For example: for me this "what natural in English is" sounds completely unnatural, and I have some English colleagues (with really good knowledge of the English language) who would write "what is natural in English"... but still the former is correct and the latter is not (as I think...).

    Where have you met "What natural in English is..."?

    The normal phrase would be "What is natural in English".
    Oh, dear... now I am confused... Do I indeed have a fine feeling of what is natural in English, then?! This would be great, wouldn't it? Too much of computer today to answer your question where I have met this construction. Maybe I have not, and just made it up somewhere in the deep recesses of my non-English mind...

    Thanks, Anglika!
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    Question Re: Which one is more natural?

    Quote Originally Posted by Anglika View Post
    For example: for me this "what natural in English is" sounds completely unnatural, and I have some English colleagues (with really good knowledge of the English language) who would write "what is natural in English"... but still the former is correct and the latter is not (as I think...).

    Where have you met "What natural in English is..."?

    The normal phrase would be "What is natural in English".
    So (after a sleepless night of mulling it over and over ), my question is: Would you say:
    "I don't know what is it." OR "I don't know what it is."?

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    Default Re: Which one is more natural?

    What is that?
    I don't know what that is.

    What is she wearing?
    I don't know what she is wearing.

    With the "I don't know what..." you use the subject-verb order.

    With simply a "What..?" you invert the order and go verb-subject.

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    Default Re: Which one is more natural?

    Quote Originally Posted by Barb_D View Post
    What is that?
    I don't know what that is.

    What is she wearing?
    I don't know what she is wearing.

    With the "I don't know what..." you use the subject-verb order.

    With simply a "What..?" you invert the order and go verb-subject.

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    Exactly! But I also noticed where is the mistake in the sentence
    "I'd vote for the first one, but I am not an English native speaker so have no idea what natural in English is."

    It indeed should be "what is natural in English." To err is human...

    Nyggus

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