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    albertino is offline Senior Member
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    Default "That said" and "Having said that"

    "That said", it should understand that Hong Kong has a mature and responsible population that has earned the right to a larger voice in the running of affairs."

    Is "That said" in the above sentence just another way to say "Having said that"? What does it mean? Is it grammatical?

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    Default Re: "That said" and "Having said that"

    Quote Originally Posted by albertino View Post
    "That said", it should understand that Hong Kong has a mature and responsible population that has earned the right to a larger voice in the running of affairs."

    Is "That said" in the above sentence just another way to say "Having said that"? What does it mean? Is it grammatical?

    Heaps of thanks.
    Hi

    You`ll often hear "that said" instead of "having said that". The first one is acceptable but I`d use "having said that".

    Regards

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    Default Re: "That said" and "Having said that"

    Quote Originally Posted by teia_petrescu View Post
    Hi

    You`ll often hear "that said" instead of "having said that". The first one is acceptable but I`d use "having said that".

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    But what does it mean and whether it is grammatical(I mean, what is its logical subject?), teia petrescu?

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    Default Re: "That said" and "Having said that"

    Quote Originally Posted by albertino View Post
    But what does it mean and whether it is grammatical(I mean, what is its logical subject?), teia petrescu?
    It is grammatically correct . That said / Having said that = After saying that,..../ After I[they] said that.../After all has been said about something / it ..
    Does it help?

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    Default Re: "That said" and "Having said that"

    Quote Originally Posted by teia_petrescu View Post
    It is grammatically correct . That said / Having said that = After saying that,..../ After I[they] said that.../After all has been said about something / it ..
    Does it help?
    Is the "that said/having said that" a dangling modifier?

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    Default Re: "That said" and "Having said that"

    Quote Originally Posted by albertino View Post
    "That said", it should understand that Hong Kong has a mature and responsible population that has earned the right to a larger voice in the running of affairs."

    Is "That said" in the above sentence just another way to say "Having said that"? What does it mean? Is it grammatical?

    Heaps of thanks.
    The question is, who did the saying. Presumably it was the PRC. In that case, 'Having said that' is fine; it means 'After it [the PRC] had said that...'

    If the person doing the saying is the writer of the sentence, 'That said' is better (in the opinion of some sources - who dislike having participles lying around not referring to anything). It means 'It having been said' - impersonal, so it doesn't need to fit in with any other part of the sentence

    Having said that, I must add that many native speakers aren't aware of this; that some who are [aware of it]* either don't care about it or believe strongly that it doesn't matter; and that others who would prefer to 'get it right' (in the terms used by their schoolteachers back in the '60s and '70s) don't.



    PS *Added this for clarity - even I couldn't make sense of it 22 hours after writing it!

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    Last edited by BobK; 13-Jul-2007 at 17:59. Reason: Added PS

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    Default Re: "That said" and "Having said that"

    Quote Originally Posted by BobK View Post
    The question is, who did the saying. Presumably it was the PRC. In that case, 'Having said that' is fine; it means 'After it [the PRC] had said that...'

    If the person doing the saying is the writer of the sentence, 'That said' is better (in the opinion of some sources - who dislike having participles lying around not referring to anything). It means 'It having been said' - impersonal, so it doesn't need to fit in with any other part of the sentence

    Having said that, I must add that many native speakers aren't aware of this; that some who are either don't care about it or believe strongly that it doesn't matter; and that others who would prefer to 'get it right' (in the terms used by their schoolteachers back in the '60s and '70s) don't.



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    My doubt has been dispelled. Thanks a million, BobK.

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