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    Language learners need to have the feeling for this particular language in order to understand it perfectly--smoothly. :)

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    1.He promised to pay his debt. ______ he did on the folling day.
    (A) This (B) That


    2.I tried to learn the poem by heart, but _____ was no easy task.
    (A) this (B) that


    3.I will pay you tomorrow. _____ will satisfy you.
    (A) This (B) That


    4.It was raining hard, and _____ kept us indoors.
    (A) this (B) that


    5.He has good intentions, but _____ is not enough.
    (A) This (B) That


    Dear all,
    I adapted those these examples from my grammar book, the bold part is the correct answer. According to Susie's and Henry's previous mention, it seems like these examples break all of rules. Example 1 describes sth in the past, but why used "this"? Could anyone kindly offer further explanation?

    I'm looking forward to your answer.


    sabrina

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    Quote Originally Posted by blacknomi
    1.He promised to pay his debt. ______ he did on the folling day.
    (A) This (B) That
    While This is the "correct" answer, I cannot agree. When considering whether to use "this" or "that" consider proximity in time or space. When you are talking about a third person that puts distance between the speaker and the thing talked about. Thus, we must choose that.


    Quote Originally Posted by blacknomi
    2.I tried to learn the poem by heart, but _____ was no easy task.
    (A) this (B) that
    Here we go again. While my first choice would be it, my second choice would be that. We are talking about something that is distant in time. If I was trying to learn the poem right now, I might say, "This is not easy."


    Quote Originally Posted by blacknomi
    3.I will pay you tomorrow. _____ will satisfy you.
    (A) This (B) That
    That is right. :wink:


    Quote Originally Posted by blacknomi
    4.It was raining hard, and _____ kept us indoors.
    (A) this (B) that
    Sorry, it should be that. We are talking about something that is distant in time. The rain you are talking about occurred in the past. You might say, "This rain is keeping us indoors" or "This rain is spoiling our day."


    Quote Originally Posted by blacknomi
    5.He has good intentions, but _____ is not enough.
    (A) This (B) That
    That is right. :wink:


    Were my explanations helpful?

    :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonBee
    Quote Originally Posted by blacknomi
    1.He promised to pay his debt. ______ he did on the following day.
    (A) This (B) That
    While This is the "correct" answer, I cannot agree. When considering whether to use "this" or "that" consider proximity in time or space. When you are talking about a third person that puts distance between the speaker and the thing talked about. Thus, we must choose that.

    My grammar book said, replace the previous phrase/clause/sentence with "this" or "that" in order to avoid repetition. Then the book provides with several examples without any notes.

    I agree with you to use the concept of "distance in time" to distinguish between these demonstrative pronouns. I come up of a question now,
    1(a)He promised to pay his debt. ______ he did on the following day.
    1(b)He promised to pay his debt. He did ______on the following day.

    This is my idea.
    1(a)--> This ( it's close to the previous VP)
    1(b)--> That ( it's a bit far way from the previous VP)
    What do you say?



    Quote Originally Posted by blacknomi
    2.I tried to learn the poem by heart, but _____ was no easy task.
    (A) this (B) that

    Here we go again. While my first choice would be it, my second choice would be that. We are talking about something that is distant in time. If I was trying to learn the poem right now, I might say, "This is not easy."
    Here we go again. It's close to previous VP.


    Quote Originally Posted by blacknomi
    3.I will pay you tomorrow. _____ will satisfy you.
    (A) This (B) That

    That is right. :wink:
    I try to apply my idea to this question; "that" is used to replace the action of "pay" because they are distant.


    Quote Originally Posted by blacknomi
    4.It was raining hard, and _____ kept us indoors.
    (A) this (B) that

    Sorry, it should be that. We are talking about something that is distant in time. The rain you are talking about occurred in the past. You might say, "This rain is keeping us indoors" or "This rain is spoiling our day."
    So "this" seems to be alright here.

    Quote Originally Posted by blacknomi
    5.He has good intentions, but _____ is not enough.
    (A) This (B) That

    That is right. :wink:
    This is present tense. Why "that"?


    :)[/quote]

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    Quote Originally Posted by blacknomi
    Quote Originally Posted by RonBee
    Quote Originally Posted by blacknomi
    1.He promised to pay his debt. ______ he did on the following day.
    (A) This (B) That
    While This is the "correct" answer, I cannot agree. When considering whether to use "this" or "that" consider proximity in time or space. When you are talking about a third person that puts distance between the speaker and the thing talked about. Thus, we must choose that.

    My grammar book said, replace the previous phrase/clause/sentence with "this" or "that" in order to avoid repetition. Then the book provides with several examples without any notes.

    I agree with you to use the concept of "distance in time" to distinguish between these demonstrative pronouns. I come up of a question now,
    1(a)He promised to pay his debt. ______ he did on the following day.
    1(b)He promised to pay his debt. He did ______on the following day.

    This is my idea.
    1(a)--> This ( it's close to the previous VP)
    1(b)--> That ( it's a bit far way from the previous VP)
    What do you say?
    I am not sure what you mean by VP, but I would only use "this" in the first person, present tense. I would also have to be quite close to what I am referring to. For example, if I say "This is a good place to live" I am at that place. If I say "That is a good place to live" I am not at the place I am referring to.



    Quote Originally Posted by blacknomi
    2.I tried to learn the poem by heart, but _____ was no easy task.
    (A) this (B) that

    Here we go again. While my first choice would be it, my second choice would be that. We are talking about something that is distant in time. If I was trying to learn the poem right now, I might say, "This is not easy."
    Here we go again. It's close to previous VP.[/quote]

    If I say "I tried to learn the poem" I am talking about the past. Thus, I would say "that" (referring to my effort to learn the poem at some previous time).


    Quote Originally Posted by blacknomi
    3.I will pay you tomorrow. _____ will satisfy you.
    (A) This (B) That

    That is right. :wink:
    I try to apply my idea to this question; "that" is used to replace the action of "pay" because they are distant.[/quote]

    Yep. :)


    Quote Originally Posted by blacknomi
    4.It was raining hard, and _____ kept us indoors.
    (A) this (B) that

    Sorry, it should be that. We are talking about something that is distant in time. The rain you are talking about occurred in the past. You might say, "This rain is keeping us indoors" or "This rain is spoiling our day."
    So "this" seems to be alright here. [/quote]

    In the first example, the rain occurred in the past, and "that" refers to the rain, which occurred some time in the past. In the examples in which I use "this" the speaker is talking about the rain which is occurring at that moment (present tense).

    Quote Originally Posted by blacknomi
    5.He has good intentions, but _____ is not enough.
    (A) This (B) That

    That is right. :wink:
    This is present tense. Why "that"?


    :)[/quote]

    The speaker is using the third person ("He"), so the distance from the speaker indicates "that" should be used.

    Does that help?

    :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonBee
    My grammar book said, replace the previous phrase/clause/sentence with "this" or "that" in order to avoid repetition. Then the book provides with several examples without any notes.

    I agree with you to use the concept of "distance in time" to distinguish between these demonstrative pronouns. I come up of a question now,

    1(a)He promised to pay his debt. ______ he did on the following day.
    1(b)He promised to pay his debt. He did ______on the following day.

    This is my idea.
    1(a)--> This ( it's close to the previous VP)
    1(b)--> That ( it's a bit far way from the previous VP)
    What do you say?

    I am not sure what you mean by VP, but I would only use "this" in the first person, present tense. I would also have to be quite close to what I am referring to. For example, if I say "This is a good place to live" I am at that place. If I say "That is a good place to live" I am not at the place I am referring to.
    I'm sorry to use VP.(there are tooo much initialism in your language. ) VP means verb phrase. In 1(a), the reason why I would use "this" is becauese "this" replaced the previous verb phrase "pay his debt" and they are relatively close to each other. While in example 1(b), I would use "that" because there is distance between the demonstrative pronoun and VP in terms of the linear hierarchy of sentence.
    He promised to pay his debt. He did (here is distance) that on the following day.

    I totally agree with what you've said. I'm just thinking what if I re-organize the sentence patterns into 1(a) and 1 (b), would the result be the same? Could I use "that" in both 1(a) and 1(b)?


    Quote Originally Posted by blacknomi
    5.He has good intentions, but _____ is not enough.
    (A) This (B) That

    That is right. :wink:

    This is present tense. Why "that"?

    The speaker is using the third person ("He"), so the distance from the speaker indicates "that" should be used.
    I see it.

    Quote Originally Posted by RonBee
    Does that help?
    you are very helpful. I do appreciate your help.

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    There is certain feel to the script that is very traditional and PG-13, which is a first for Kevin Smith.
    There's a kind of perception/way of seeing/understanding....

    I think for the first three or four films there was a little feeling of being on shaky ground.
    ...a sense/sensation of being on shaky ground

    All the best,

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    [quote="blacknomi"]
    1.He promised to pay his debt. ______ he did on the following day.
    (A) This (B) That
    ==> Both 'That' and 'This' are accetable. Paying the dept is what he did. 'Paying the dept' functions as a gerund, a thing, the thing the speaker is talking about right now (i.e. This) or in the past (i.e. That).


    2.I tried to learn the poem by heart, but _____ was no easy task.
    (A) this (B) that
    ==> 'That' or "This' is acceptable. Learning the poem was no easy task. 'Learning the poem' functions as a thing, the thing the speaker is a) talking about as if it were the present (i.e. This) or b) talking about as if it were the past (i.e. That).

    3. I will pay you tomorrow. _____ will satisfy you.
    (A) This (B) That
    ==> Paying you tomorrow. "That' refers to the past--the paying will take place before (i.e. the past) the person is satisfied. One could also use "This will satisfy you". The paying will take place--this idea is now, in the present, as the speaker is talking.

    4. It was raining hard, and _____ kept us indoors.
    (A) this (B) that
    ==> Either 'this' or 'that' is acceptable. 'that' means, an event in the past, whereas 'this' refers to the present time of the utterance.

    5. He has good intentions, but _____ is not enough.
    (A) This (B) That
    ==> Both are acceptable. 'That' refers to the previous statement, whereas 'this' refers to the present time of the utterance.

    This and That are deictic in nature.

    Quick definitions (deictic = die+k+tik)
    noun: a word specifying identity or spacial or temporal location from the perspective of a speaker or hearer in the context in which the communication occurs. (SOURCE: OneLook)

    "this" refers to something close to the speaker in time and/or space, whereas "that" refers to something far away from the speaker in time and/or space. It's up to the speaker to decide what s/he deems close or far away. Each speaker will differ in the usage of 'this' and 'that'. There is no one correct answer for the fill-in-the-blanks above. Both (A) and (B) are correct.

    Pronouns are deictic: 1st: I (here), 2nd: you (close to me), 3rd: s/he (over there). In some Native American languages there's even a 4th deictic (i.e. the person who is not there, within our sight).

    All the best,

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    Thank you very much indeed, Cas. :D
    Idiosyncrasy does make language more complex, huh.
    One more question, can I replace all of those with "it" simply?



    sabrina

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    Quote Originally Posted by blacknomi
    Quote Originally Posted by RonBee
    My grammar book said, replace the previous phrase/clause/sentence with "this" or "that" in order to avoid repetition. Then the book provides with several examples without any notes.

    I agree with you to use the concept of "distance in time" to distinguish between these demonstrative pronouns. I come up of a question now,

    1(a)He promised to pay his debt. ______ he did on the following day.
    1(b)He promised to pay his debt. He did ______on the following day.

    This is my idea.
    1(a)--> This ( it's close to the previous VP)
    1(b)--> That ( it's a bit far way from the previous VP)
    What do you say?

    I am not sure what you mean by VP, but I would only use "this" in the first person, present tense. I would also have to be quite close to what I am referring to. For example, if I say "This is a good place to live" I am at that place. If I say "That is a good place to live" I am not at the place I am referring to.
    I'm sorry to use VP.(there are tooo much initialism in your language. ) VP means verb phrase. In 1(a), the reason why I would use "this" is becauese "this" replaced the previous verb phrase "pay his debt" and they are relatively close to each other. While in example 1(b), I would use "that" because there is distance between the demonstrative pronoun and VP in terms of the linear hierarchy of sentence.
    He promised to pay his debt. He did (here is distance) that on the following day.

    I totally agree with what you've said. I'm just thinking what if I re-organize the sentence patterns into 1(a) and 1 (b), would the result be the same? Could I use "that" in both 1(a) and 1(b)?
    Don't apologize. I'm learning. Hopefully, I will remember what VP means. :wink:

    Unfortunately, I cannot agree with you about "pay his debt". That is a verb and its object, not a verb phrase. An example of a verb phrase might be "pay up" (meaning: pay what you owe); in that case the two words comprise the entire verb.

    When I used the word "proximity" I wasn't referring to the proximity of the words in the sentence. :)


    Quote Originally Posted by blacknomi
    5.He has good intentions, but _____ is not enough.
    (A) This (B) That

    That is right. :wink:

    This is present tense. Why "that"?

    The speaker is using the third person ("He"), so the distance from the speaker indicates "that" should be used.
    I see it.

    Quote Originally Posted by RonBee
    Does that help?
    you are very helpful. I do appreciate your help. [/quote]

    You are quite welcome.

    :D

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