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    Default the subjunctive

    1. The judge recommended that the prisoner be kept in prison for another three months.
    2. The judge recommended that the prisoner should be kept in prison for another three months.
    3. The judge recommended that the prisoner was kept in prison for another three months.
    What is the difference between the three sentences?

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    Default Re: the subjunctive

    Quote Originally Posted by balakrishnanijk View Post
    1. The judge recommended that the prisoner be kept in prison for another three months.
    2. The judge recommended that the prisoner should be kept in prison for another three months.
    3. The judge recommended that the prisoner was kept in prison for another three months.
    What is the difference between the three sentences?
    There is no difference between sentences #1 and #2.
    There is a mistake in the third sentence.You should write like this:
    The judge recommended the prisoner to be kept in prison for another three months.

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    Default Re: the subjunctive

    Only #1 is correct.
    #2 is wrong because you can't use "recommended" with "should". You can use some other verbs, like 'think', with "should".
    #3 is wrong because you can't use "recommended" with "was" or with other past tense verbs.

    I don't agree with Harry Smith.

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    I don't agree with Harry Smith either. I hate the Subjunctive mood!

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    Default Re: the subjunctive

    Quote Originally Posted by balakrishnanijk View Post
    1. The judge recommended that the prisoner be kept in prison for another three months.
    2. The judge recommended that the prisoner should be kept in prison for another three months.
    3. The judge recommended that the prisoner was kept in prison for another three months.
    What is the difference between the three sentences?
    The first two sentences are correct.
    The third sentence is incorrect. The verb "reccomend" should be followed by subjunctive.
    e.g. She reccomended that he see a doctor right away.

    "Should be kept" - is stronger in emphasing the idea of keeping the prisoner in jail for another three months.
    Last edited by Teia; 27-Jul-2007 at 20:35.

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    Default Re: the subjunctive

    Quote Originally Posted by teia_petrescu View Post
    The first two sentences are correct.

    "Should be kept" - is stronger in emphasing the idea of keeping the prisoner in jail for another three months.
    I don't agree with you.

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    Default Re: the subjunctive

    In BE, the indicative (base) form of the verb or ‘should’ + the subjunctive ‘be’ is actually used in the subjunctive mood whereas only the subjunctive form is permitted in rather formal AE. ‘Should be kept’ is therefore considered correct in BE and only ‘be kept’ is allowed in AE.

    Many of you already voiced your opinion & will continue to disagree. This represents only my view after examining a few British and American grammar books.

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    Default Re: the subjunctive

    Quote Originally Posted by 2006 View Post
    I don't agree with you.
    Well, what is the explanation?
    Last edited by Teia; 28-Jul-2007 at 07:47.

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    Default Re: the subjunctive

    Quote Originally Posted by Buddhaheart View Post
    In BE, the indicative (base) form of the verb or ‘should’ + the subjunctive ‘be’ is actually used in the subjunctive mood whereas only the subjunctive form is permitted in rather formal AE. ‘Should be kept’ is therefore considered correct in BE and only ‘be kept’ is allowed in AE.

    Many of you already voiced your opinion & will continue to disagree. This represents only my view after examining a few British and American grammar books.
    You are right. Here is what I read about it :
    The word `should` is sometimes used to express the idea of subjunctiveness. This form is used more in British English and is most common after verbs "suggest", "recommend" and "insist".

    Thank you.

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