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    I have many problems with punctuation and I have been trying to solve them with a self-study book but there are two sentences that I don't understand, could anyone help me, please?

    1--> Many of the students and their friends and supporters were shot at by the police, who later claimed that they were obeying orders.

    I didn't write the comma because I thought it was substancial information, what do you think? Is there any rule I could try to use??

    2--> A large number of fairly successful trials has already been completed with laboratory animals before any change in the behaviour of the professor who was responsible for the project was noted.

    In this one I had written commas in "... the professor, who was responsible for the project, was noted." because you can read the sentence without this part so I thought is wasn't fundamental information.

    Thank you for your time

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    1-- The police are the police, always and everywhere-- so there is no need for a defining clause-- it is extra, non-defining or non-restrictive information, so add the commas.

    2-- There are many professors, but this one was the responsible one, so it is a restrictive or defining clause: no commas.
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    1-- The police are the police, always and everywhere-- so there is no need for a defining clause-- it is extra, non-defining or non-restrictive information, so add the commas.
    Right! And the police who later claimed that they were obeying orders would be a particular set of police officers (in contrast to those who did not make that claim).

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    "And the police who later claimed that they were obeying orders would be a particular set of police officers (in contrast to those who did not make that claim)."

    Because of that I don't understand the commas... I wouldn't put them..... The other example is clearer but, for me, it is the same, if you put in one you should put in both and the other way round?

    Thank you anyway..

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonBee View Post
    Right! And the police who later claimed that they were obeying orders would be a particular set of police officers (in contrast to those who did not make that claim).

    ~R
    Noun phrase:
    the police who later claimed that they were obeying orders
    If we set the "who" phrase off with commas we get:
    the police, who later claimed that they were obeying orders,....
    and with that phrase we identify the police (the police officers) who happen to be at the scene.

    ~R

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