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    Question grammar phrasal verbs

    i wnt to know how to distinguish betwen phrasal verbs and prepositional phrasal verb


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    Re: grammar phrasal verbs

    Simply:
    Phrasal verbs are constructed from verb + adverb such as get up.
    Phrasal-prepositional verbs are constructed from verb + adverb + preposition such as look forward to

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    Quote Originally Posted by Niall View Post
    Simply:
    Phrasal verbs are constructed from verb + adverb such as get up.
    Phrasal-prepositional verbs are constructed from verb + adverb + preposition such as look forward to
    Oh dear! You've simplified the issue so much I can't agree with you!
    It's not that easy to distinguish between the two, to be honest.

    Look up at the sky!
    Look up the word in a dictionary
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    The above example sentences are very similar in construction, but meaningly different.
    #1 is a prepositional phrasal verb, whereas #2 is a 'true' phrasal verb.

    Many a time it is the particle that is the same for an adverb as well as for a preposition. So the real question is, how to sucessfully distinguish the phrasal verbs in question?


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    Re: grammar phrasal verbs

    Surely the rule still applies:
    Look up at the sky! - This is a prepositional phrasal: verb + adverb + prep
    Look up the word in a dictionary. - This is a true phrasal: verb + adverb

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    Re: grammar phrasal verbs

    Quote Originally Posted by Niall View Post
    Surely the rule still applies:
    Look up at the sky! - This is a prepositional phrasal: verb + adverb + prep
    Look up the word in a dictionary. - This is a true phrasal: verb + adverb
    What about this pair of phrasals (it's gonna be a bit tougher, I reckon):

    He ran into another runner during the race.
    He ran into my aunt at the supermarket.


    Which one is which one?



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    Re: grammar phrasal verbs

    Surely here both are prepositional verbs. And are neither phrasal nor prepositional phrasal.

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    Re: grammar phrasal verbs

    Quote Originally Posted by Niall View Post
    Surely here both are prepositional verbs. And are neither phrasal nor prepositional phrasal.
    Hmm... but what about the meaning of the two? If it is just a prepositional verb, the first sentence reads,

    He collided with another runner during the race.

    while the other,

    He met his aunt at the supermarket by accident.

    That's the catch.


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    I fail to see the problem? Is it that there are two meanings of the phrase to run into?
    I have read over what you have said and fail to see what you are getting at?

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    Cool Re: grammar phrasal verbs

    Quote Originally Posted by Niall View Post
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    Is it that there are two meanings of the phrase to run into?
    ...
    Yes, and there are a lot more of such examples. That's the genuine problem causing so much trouble to us, non-native English speakers.
    Meanings of such verbs are so various that it really is impossible to know exactly which verb with a particular particle is the 'true' phrasal verb, or just a prepositional verb, as you wrote.

    Let me mention a few particles that can be either a preposition or an adverb:
    down, up, over, through, on.

    It's only when I look them up in a dictionary that I distinguish between the verbs.


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    Re: grammar phrasal verbs

    Yes. I would have to agree.
    Words that are both prepositions and adverbs are a pain in grammar. They often lead people astray very easily.

    Reading in context is the only solution, and even then, often both meanings are equally plausable. This is a problem that we cannot hope to solve!

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