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    Default never seen one before, have you?

    Hello everyone
    I'd like to ask about the meaning of the phrase "never seen one before, have you?".

    The situation is as follows:
    The reporter and a soldier are in the garage. A very powerful ion storm is taking place outside and they are watching this storm on the screen.

    After about five minutes of this, the soldier turned around. "never seen one before, have you?"
    Annabella shook her head.
    "From in here, it's beautiful. Out there, not so much."
    Smiling Annabella said, "I'm sure. Mind if I let the drone record this?"
    The soldier shrugged, and Annabella returned to the truck.

    What is the full sentence? "I have never seen one before, have you?" Or "You have never seen one before, have you?"

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    Default Re: never seen one before, have you?

    "I have never seen one before, have you?"

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    Default Re: never seen one before, have you?

    phrase is not a part of mathematics but
    um,..In that situation I would say:

    never seen this (present perfect continuous tense)

    For me, it means I have never seen a storm like this one and probably I will not see similar or stronger one in the close future, and who knows if lucky maybe never again..

    But if I use "before" for me it means "up to now". So the future is not a part of the game. In that case I would say a bit different:

    never seen one before, had you? (past perfect continuous tense)

    That means I used the sentence: I had never seen one before, had you (ever) seen anything similar to this? ( of course up to now only)


    But I am from Bosnia and speak "my own" English....

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    Default Re: never seen one before, have you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hi_there_Carl View Post
    "I have never seen one before, have you?"
    Thank you very much, Hi_there_Carl.

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    Default Re: never seen one before, have you?

    Quote Originally Posted by e2e4 View Post
    phrase is not a part of mathematics but
    um,..In that situation I would say:

    never seen this (present perfect continuous tense)

    For me, it means I have never seen a storm like this one and probably I will not see similar or stronger one in the close future, and who knows if lucky maybe never again..

    But if I use "before" for me it means "up to now". So the future is not a part of the game. In that case I would say a bit different:

    never seen one before, had you? (past perfect continuous tense)

    That means I used the sentence: I had never seen one before, had you (ever) seen anything similar to this? ( of course up to now only)


    But I am from Bosnia and speak "my own" English....
    Thank you very much, e2e4.

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    Default Re: never seen one before, have you?

    As a native speaker, my instinct is to go with "You have never seen one before, have you?"

    Generally, the subject in the tag question is the same as the subject in the main sentence. Also, the context makes it clear that the soldier has seen an ion storm before: he says that "out there" it's not so beautiful as from in here. That suggests he has experience of ion storms.

    It is possible for the subjects to be different; but this would be shown either by emphasising the "you" in the tag question, or by having two different sentences; like this:

    "Never seen one before, have you?"
    "Never seen one before. Have you?"

    In speech, this would be spoken with a very short pause before the tag question, and emphasising "you", to indicate a contrast.

    But here everything is neutral: there is no special emphasis on "you", so the two subjects must be the same.

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    Default Re: never seen one before, have you?

    Quote Originally Posted by rewboss View Post
    As a native speaker, my instinct is to go with "You have never seen one before, have you?"

    Generally, the subject in the tag question is the same as the subject in the main sentence. Also, the context makes it clear that the soldier has seen an ion storm before: he says that "out there" it's not so beautiful as from in here. That suggests he has experience of ion storms.

    It is possible for the subjects to be different; but this would be shown either by emphasising the "you" in the tag question, or by having two different sentences; like this:

    "Never seen one before, have you?"
    "Never seen one before. Have you?"

    In speech, this would be spoken with a very short pause before the tag question, and emphasising "you", to indicate a contrast.

    But here everything is neutral: there is no special emphasis on "you", so the two subjects must be the same.
    Thank you very much, rewboss.

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    Default Re: never seen one before, have you?

    I had to reread the story to understand that rewboss is right.




    The story (revised):
    The reporter and a soldier are in the garage. A very powerful ion storm is taking place outside and they are watching this storm on the screen.
    After about five minutes, the soldier turns around. "Never seen one before, have you?"

    Annabella shakes her head.

    "From in here," he says, "it's beautiful. Out there, not so much."

    Smiling, Annabella says, "I'm sure. Mind if I let the drone record this?"

    The soldier shrugs, and Annabella returns to the truck.
    When Annabella shakes her head she means to say that she has not seen an ion storm before.

    ~R

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    Default Re: never seen one before, have you?

    Quote Originally Posted by RonBee View Post
    I had to reread the story to understand that rewboss is right.




    The story (revised):
    The reporter and a soldier are in the garage. A very powerful ion storm is taking place outside and they are watching this storm on the screen.
    After about five minutes, the soldier turns around. "Never seen one before, have you?"

    Annabella shakes her head.

    "From in here," he says, "it's beautiful. Out there, not so much."

    Smiling, Annabella says, "I'm sure. Mind if I let the drone record this?"

    The soldier shrugs, and Annabella returns to the truck.
    When Annabella shakes her head she means to say that she has not seen an ion storm before.

    ~R
    Thank you very much, RonBee.

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    Default Re: never seen one before, have you?

    You're very welcome.

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