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    Consider:
    I didn't make such big mistakes as you did.


    Which is the case:

    a-I did make mistakes, but not big mistakes; you made big mistakes
    b-I did make big mistakes, but not as big as the ones you made

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    Quote Originally Posted by navi tasan
    Consider:
    I didn't make such big mistakes as you did.


    Which is the case:

    a-I did make mistakes, but not big mistakes; you made big mistakes
    b-I did make big mistakes, but not as big as the ones you made
    I don't like the sentence.

    One could say "I didn't make such big mistakes" (in the past, etc.).

    There is already a comparison in there. It doesn't work with "as you did".

    We would say "I didn't make mistakes as big as you did." or
    "I didn't make a mistake as big as yours."

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    Quote Originally Posted by navi tasan
    Consider:
    I didn't make such big mistakes as you did.


    Which is the case:

    a-I did make mistakes, but not big mistakes; you made big mistakes
    b-I did make big mistakes, but not as big as the ones you made
    I don't like the sentence.

    One could say "I didn't make such big mistakes" (in the past, etc.).

    There is already a comparison in there. It doesn't work with "as you did".

    We would say "I didn't make mistakes as big as you did." or
    "I didn't make a mistake as big as yours."

    I think it depends on different situation.Right? Two people are discussing about Ron.


    Dialog
    Speaker A: Ron's going to far! It's ridiculous.

    Speaker B: Yeah, he's making wave this time.

    Speaker A: I'll say! I won't make such a huge mistake (as he did)

    Sometimes, it depends on the target person you are talking about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blacknomi

    I think it depends on different situation.Right? Two people are discussing about Ron.


    Dialog
    Speaker A: Ron's going to far! It's ridiculous.

    Speaker B: Yeah, he's making wave this time.

    Speaker A: I'll say! I won't make such a huge mistake (as he did)

    Sometimes, it depends on the target person you are talking about.
    For me, it still doesn't work with "as he did".

    I won't make as huge a mistake as he did.
    I won't make a similar mistake.
    I won't make such a huge mistake when I post.

    etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blacknomi

    I think it depends on different situation.Right? Two people are discussing about Ron.


    Dialog
    Speaker A: Ron's going to far! It's ridiculous.

    Speaker B: Yeah, he's making wave this time.

    Speaker A: I'll say! I won't make such a huge mistake (as he did)

    Sometimes, it depends on the target person you are talking about.
    For me, it still doesn't work with "as he did".

    I won't make as huge a mistake as he did.
    I won't make a similar mistake.
    I won't make such a huge mistake when I post.

    etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeNewYork
    Quote Originally Posted by blacknomi

    I think it depends on different situation.Right? Two people are discussing about Ron.


    Dialog
    Speaker A: Ron's going too far! It's ridiculous.

    Speaker B: Yeah, he's making waves this time.

    Speaker A: I'll say! I won't make such a huge mistake (as he did)

    Sometimes, it depends on the target person you are talking about.
    For me, it still doesn't work with "as he did".

    I won't make as huge a mistake as he did.
    I won't make a similar mistake.
    I won't make such a huge mistake when I post.

    etc.
    Mike, I'm wondering that sometimes you said you don't like the sentence? What do you mean by saying so? Does somebody else like it? Or it's just idiosyncrasy? The sentence is grammatically right, isn't it?

    I won't make such a huge mistake as he did. 'did' functions as 'verb phrase substitution' of the action happened before, which is 'he made a huge mistake.'

    Similiar examples
    1. I had a great time as everybody did. (correct)
    2. I made a stupid mistake as Susan did. (correct)
    3. I can't tell story as interestingly as you do. (correct)
    4. I can't tell such an interesting story like yours. (correct)



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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeNewYork
    Quote Originally Posted by blacknomi

    I think it depends on different situation.Right? Two people are discussing about Ron.


    Dialog
    Speaker A: Ron's going too far! It's ridiculous.

    Speaker B: Yeah, he's making waves this time.

    Speaker A: I'll say! I won't make such a huge mistake (as he did)

    Sometimes, it depends on the target person you are talking about.
    For me, it still doesn't work with "as he did".

    I won't make as huge a mistake as he did.
    I won't make a similar mistake.
    I won't make such a huge mistake when I post.

    etc.
    Mike, I'm wondering that sometimes you said you don't like the sentence? What do you mean by saying so? Does somebody else like it? Or it's just idiosyncrasy? The sentence is grammatically right, isn't it?

    I won't make such a huge mistake as he did. 'did' functions as 'verb phrase substitution' of the action happened before, which is 'he made a huge mistake.'

    Similiar examples
    1. I had a great time as everybody did. (correct)
    2. I made a stupid mistake as Susan did. (correct)
    3. I can't tell story as interestingly as you do. (correct)
    4. I can't tell such an interesting story like yours. (correct)



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    I agree with professor Mike. Your sentence doesn't look good to me either (idiosyncrasy is a bit weird in that context too). I actually don't think it is grammaticaly correct (to be confirmed).

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike
    I won't make as huge a mistake as he did.
    I won't make a similar mistake.
    I won't make such a huge mistake when I post
    Those are fine (of course).

    Quote Originally Posted by Blacknomi
    1. I had a great time as everybody did. (correct)
    2. I made a stupid mistake as Susan did. (correct)
    3. I can't tell story as interestingly as you do. (correct)
    4. I can't tell such an interesting story like yours. (correct)
    Only 3. looks ok to me (I would use 'stories' though).

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    I agree with professor Mike. Your sentence doesn't look good to me either (idiosyncrasy is a bit weird in that context too). I actually don't think it is grammaticaly correct (to be confirmed).

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike
    I won't make as huge a mistake as he did.
    I won't make a similar mistake.
    I won't make such a huge mistake when I post
    Those are fine (of course).

    Quote Originally Posted by Blacknomi
    1. I had a great time as everybody did. (correct)
    2. I made a stupid mistake as Susan did. (correct)
    3. I can't tell story as interestingly as you do. (correct)
    4. I can't tell such an interesting story like yours. (correct)
    Only 3. looks ok to me (I would use 'stories' though).

    FRC

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    I think it would be better to put a comma in 1 and 2.

    1a-I had a great time, as everybody did.
    or:
    1b-I had a great time, as did everybody.
    (unless you want to say that you did it in the same manner as everybody else, which is a strange thing to say.)

    2a-I made a stupid mistake, as Susan did.
    or:
    2b-I made a stupid mistake, as did Susan.

    Again, your sentence would be Ok if you made the mistake in the same manner as Susan.


    François is right. You have to say "a story" or "stories" in 3, but I really think that is a typo.

    As for 4, I think you need "as" instead of "like". But I think Mike might disagree and throw the sentence away lock, stock and barrel.

    4a-"I can't tell an interesting story such as yours."
    might be the best choice.

    I'd like to know what native speakers and especially Mike think of all this though.

    I never trust a non-native speaker, specially not myself!

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