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    Quote Originally Posted by blacknomi
    Hi,

    According Michael Swan, 'she doesn't sing as well as me' is used in a formal style. I do think you can omit 'do', but it may produce ambiguity. I was trying to analyze from different points. Let's wait for Mike sensei. :wink:
    Doh - I would say it's informal on the contrary!
    (according to Michael Swan, BTW).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Francois
    Quote Originally Posted by blacknomi
    Hi,

    According Michael Swan, 'she doesn't sing as well as me' is used in a formal style. I do think you can omit 'do', but it may produce ambiguity. I was trying to analyze from different points. Let's wait for Mike sensei. :wink:
    Doh - I would say it's informal on the contrary!
    (according to Michael Swan, BTW).

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    FRC
    I do apologize for such a HUGE typo. Informal.
    Please forgive. :D

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    This is your question,
    I don't like him as much as you don't like him. :?:
    ==> I think this sentence is gramatically strange. 'As + Adj/Adv + as' is used to compare two equal things. Here in your sentence, you compare the feeling of 'like him'.

    Well, not really. I am not comparing "like him", but "not like him". If you read my original post, you'll see that I had replaced that by "dislike him".
    I don't like him, just like you don't like him.
    I don't like him, as you don't like him.
    I don't like him (dislike him) as much as you don't like (dislike him) him.
    I don't like him as much as you don't [like him].
    I don't like him as much as you [don't like him].




    I agree that it is strange and it is a roundabout way of saying what is to be said, but I am not sure it is wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Francois
    I don't like him as much as she. In this sentence, it is ungrammatical.
    I believe this one is formal, but correct.
    Teachers?

    FRC
    strictly speaking, it's ungrammatical. It should be "I don't like him as much as she does."

    'does' is omitted.

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    Well, I think it is grammatically correct, but let's not start a fight, and wait for our dear teachers to sort that mess out

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    Quote Originally Posted by Francois
    Well, I think it is grammatically correct, but let's not start a fight, and wait for our dear teachers to sort that mess out

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    Diplomatic Corps 101 - as I said - where is the cavalry today?

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    Quote Originally Posted by navi tasan
    This is your question,
    I don't like him as much as you don't like him.
    ==> I think this sentence is gramatically strange. 'As + Adj/Adv + as' is used to compare two equal things. Here in your sentence, you compare the feeling of 'like him'.

    Well, not really. I am not comparing "like him", but "not like him". If you read my original post, you'll see that I had replaced that by "dislike him".
    I don't like him, just like you don't like him.
    I don't like him, as you don't like him.
    I don't like him (dislike him) as much as you don't like (dislike him) him.
    I don't like him as much as you don't [like him].
    I don't like him as much as you [don't like him].




    I agree that it is strange and it is a roundabout way of saying what is to be said, but I am not sure it is wrong.

    I don't like him.
    You don't like him either.
    ==> 'don't' negates the feeling of 'like him'

    In this sentecne,
    I don't like him as much as you don't like him.
    ==> I'd use 'do' to replace the latter 'don't like him' to avoid repetition. "do" is an auxiliary, 'like' is the main verb in the sentence. So I would think you are comparing a spectrum of likeness, you can like him or dislike him.


    Hm. We are not fighting, we are discussing!

    When the cat's away! :)

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    I agree. It would be better to let the teachers sort this out. This is getting too confusing for me.

    I think it would be better if we started a new thread every time we had a new question. Giving answers instead of the teachers is probably not the best of things to do either, because we make the threads too long and they become difficult to follow for them. I don't know how much time it will take to read this one. I have almost forgotten what my question was!!

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    The thread is not that long, and your question is at the top of it. It is common practice to let students answer their questions, so that they get to know each others and this can make for interesting discussions. If each thread were just 2 or 3 posts long with a question and its answer from a teacher, this forum would not be as interesting IMO.
    But you've all rights to ask others not to hijack your threads, so I will avoid posting in them if you prefer -- no hard feelings.
    Cheers,

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    Thanks for your attitude François, c'est sympa. And there are no hard feelings, sans rancune. It was never a question of hard feelings actually. I just thought it would be better to have a greater number of short threads, so can we can follow each question more easily.
    Peut-être pourrais-je te poser des questions concernant la grammaire française! Ca serait marrant, non?
    (I am not talking behind anybody's back, just asking François if I could ask him questions concerning French grammar.)

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