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    He's no fool. S + V + no + Noun
    =He is not a fool at all.


    This is no your business.
    =This is not your business. (correct)


    none of + determiner/pronoun
    None of your business. (correct)
    None of us speak English. (correct)

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    Quote Originally Posted by blacknomi
    He's no fool. S + V + no + Noun
    =He is not a fool at all.
    Correct. No = adjective


    This is no your business.
    =This is not your business. (correct)
    First is wrong; second is correct. Not = adverb


    none of + determiner/pronoun
    None of your business. (correct)
    None of us speak English. (correct)
    First is correct. None = pronoun
    Second is debated. I would usually use a singular verb there.

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    USAGE NOTE It is widely asserted that none is equivalent to no one, and hence requires a singular verb and singular pronoun: None of the prisoners was given his soup. It is true that none is etymologically derived from the Old English word ān, “one,” but the word has been used as both a singular and a plural noun from Old English onward. The plural usage appears in the King James Bible as well as the works of John Dryden and Edmund Burke and is widespread in the works of respectable writers today. Of course, the singular usage is perfectly acceptable. The choice between a singular or plural verb depends on the desired effect. Both options are acceptable in this sentence: None of the conspirators has (or have) been brought to trial. When none is modified by almost, however, it is difficult to avoid treating the word as a plural: Almost none of the officials were (not was) interviewed by the committee. None can only be plural in its use in sentences such as None but his most loyal supporters believe (not believes) his story. See Usage Notes at every, neither, nothing.

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    Thank you, gentleman.

    And one should bear in mind that he chooses the plural form of verb when he's in a test. :wink: 8)



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    Not surprisingly, we missed the train.
    It was no surprising that we missed the train.
    It was not surprising that we missed the train.

    Is the second one correct?

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    I don't think so.
    It was no surprise that we missed the train.

    FRC

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    Merci. :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by blacknomi
    Not surprisingly, we missed the train.
    It was no surprising that we missed the train.
    It was not surprising that we missed the train.

    Is the second one correct?
    I agree with FRC. Here we have an adjective (no) modifying a participle (surprising) that happens to be part of a past continuous verb (was surprising. The adverb not would work better:

    It was not surprising (Adv + Participle)

    Or, as FRC has noted, changing the participle (surprising) to a noun (surprise) works great, too,

    It was no surprise (Adj + Noun)
    It was of no surprise (Prep + Adj + Noun)

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    Thank you, our Lady in JP. :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by blacknomi
    Thank you, gentleman.

    And one should bear in mind that he chooses the plural form of verb when he's in a test. :wink: 8)



    Miss Funny. :D
    You're very welcome! :wink:

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    Quote Originally Posted by blacknomi
    Thank you, our Lady in JP. :)
    You're most welcome. :D

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