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    It is no bigger than I expected to be.
    It is not bigger than I expected to be.


    The first one is correct. I don't know how to explain why the second one sounds weird. It seems like they are somewhat phrasel.

    (1)no + comparative : no more beautiful than
    (2)any + comparative : no longer than


    So my conclusion is that 'no' can modify an adjective in this situation. What do you think?


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    Quote Originally Posted by blacknomi
    It is no bigger than I expected to be.
    It is not bigger than I expected to be.

    The first one is correct. I don't know how to explain why the second one sounds weird. It seems like they are somewhat phrasel.

    (1)no + comparative : no more beautiful than
    (2)any + comparative : no longer than

    So my conclusion is that 'no' can modify an adjective in this situation. What do you think?

    Comparative Structures
    It is no bigger than I expected it to be. (OK; 'no' modifies 'bigger', an adjective)

    It is not as big as I expected it to be. (OK; 'not' modifies 'is', the verb: It isn't as big as....)

    Quoting someone else's words: function, emphasis
    Pat: Is it bigger than you expected it to be?
    Max: No. It is not "bigger" than I expected it to be. (OK; It isn't bigger....)

    All the best, :D


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    Quote Originally Posted by Casiopea
    Quote Originally Posted by blacknomi
    It is no bigger than I expected to be.
    It is not bigger than I expected to be.

    The first one is correct. I don't know how to explain why the second one sounds weird. It seems like they are somewhat phrasel.

    (1)no + comparative : no more beautiful than
    (2)any + comparative : no longer than

    So my conclusion is that 'no' can modify an adjective in this situation. What do you think?

    Comparative Structures
    It is no bigger than I expected it to be. (OK; 'no' modifies 'bigger', an adjective)

    It is not as big as I expected it to be. (OK; 'not' modifies 'is', the verb: It isn't as big as....)

    Quoting someone else's words: function, emphasis
    Pat: Is it bigger than you expected it to be?
    Max: No. It is not "bigger" than I expected it to be. (OK; It isn't bigger....)

    All the best, :D


    I'd like to use my own words to paraphrase yours to make sure my understanding is close to you, okay?

    It is no bigger than I expected it to be.
    ==> Do you mean that 'no' acts as an adjective to modify 'bigger'? I'd like to say 'no' functions as an adverb, which makes more sense to me if there's an adjective following it.


    ==> When I am quoting someone's words,

    For example,

    Cas: Is it more interesting than you expected it to be?
    Nomi: No, it is NOT more interesting than I expected it to be.(Nomi implied that it's less interesting, or I should say it's boring to death.
    .)
    That [it is more interesting] is wrong.


    Okay, in that situation, can I reply as "It is NO more interesting than I expected it to be?"
    That [no more interesting] is true.




    (1)That [it is more interesting] is wrong.
    (2)That [no more interesting] is true.
    I think they are almost the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Casiopea
    Comparative Structures
    It is no bigger than I expected it to be. (OK; 'no' modifies 'bigger', an adjective)
    'no' modifies the adjective 'bigger'.
    'no' functions as a quantifier--as an adverb of degree.

    Quote Originally Posted by blacknomi
    Cas: Is it more interesting than you expected it to be?
    Nomi: No, it is NOT more interesting than I expected it to be.

    (Nomi implied that it's less interesting, or I should say it's boring to death.) That [it is more interesting] is wrong.
    I'd say 'Not' negates more interesting, nullifies it. That is, it could but doesn't necessarily imply the opposite less interesting.

    Quote Originally Posted by blacknomi
    Okay, in that situation, can I reply as "It is NO more interesting than I expected it to be?" That [no more interesting] is true.
    To tell you the truth the example sentence doesn't sit well with me; It's hard for me to understand. Sorry. What about?

    Q: Was it more interesting than the other movie?
    A1: No. It wasn't more interesting than the other movie.
    A2: No. It was no more interesting than the other movie.

    A1: The other movie was more interesting.
    A2: Both movies were equally interesting or equally boring.

    All the best, :D




    (1)That [it is more interesting] is wrong.
    (2)That [no more interesting] is true.
    I think they are almost the same. [/quote]


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    Re: no/none

    Quote Originally Posted by blacknomi
    He's no fool. S + V + no + Noun
    =He is not a fool at all.


    This is no your business.
    =This is not your business. (correct)


    none of + determiner/pronoun
    None of your business. (correct)
    None of us speak English. (correct)
    He's no fool. S + V + no + Noun <--Y
    =He is not a fool at all. <--Y


    This is no your business. <-- N because of the word 'your'
    =This is not your business. (correct) <-- Y

    none of + determiner/pronoun <--Y
    None of your business. (correct) <--Y
    None of us speak English. (correct) <--

    Probably no one agrees with me. But it is:
    - None of us speaks English.
    It is what my dictionaries and usage English books say about the standard and correct one. None is grammatically singular.
    So it is more likely to be the answer in a public English test.

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