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    Hmm... :? OK, what do you think, Mike sensei?
    Thanks, Taka.
    No disrespect intended, Cas. It's just that I just need as much advice as possible.
    That's terrifically understandable; that's how we learn, right? :D Mike is a great source of knowledge.

    Oh, by the way, even though I'm Canadian and female, my students here, in Japan, call me Cas sensei. :wink:

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    tdol, what do you think?

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    I agree with Cas, but can see why it's not very clear. What do you think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tdol
    I agree with Cas, but can see why it's not very clear. What do you think?
    I think words referred to by "this/these" have to be somewhere around the reference term, but in this case I cannot find any. And if anywhere, I find "work of art" as the words pointed to by "these", which is in the other paragraph.

    So, my question is (again): is it possible for "these" to refer to such a distant thing? Is it possible for "these" to point to words in a different paragraph?

    Plus, if you know why it's not very clear, tdol, please tell me why.

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    They normally refer to something near, so it isn't very good usage, but in the absence of anything near, then the logical thing is to retrace until the point of reference is found. It isn't very clear because of the distance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tdol
    They normally refer to something near, so it isn't very good usage, but in the absence of anything near, then the logical thing is to retrace until the point of reference is found. It isn't very clear because of the distance.
    It has to do with pragmatics. :D

    'these things' mean, things that are important to me. Things I hold to be important; things I'm thinking of and presently writing about; that's the closest, logical point of reference. :D

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    Quote Originally Posted by Casiopea
    It has to do with pragmatics. :D

    'these things' mean, things that are important to me.
    If there were no referent clearly stated in the sentences, I would take the same approach as Casiopea's. Yet there is "works of art", which should be the referent. If "works of art" were in the same paragraph, I wouldn't doubt it was the referent. But as it is it's in a different paragraph and a bit distant for "these", and that's why I was confused.

    But thanks to the tdol's comments, now I understand why I was confused.

    Thank you, teachers! :D

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    You're welcome.

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