Some argue that the UK is an amalgam of separate units: Wales, England, Scotland, and Northern Ireland; and it is better to speak of the Welch, the English, the Scots (a Scot, adj. Scottish, but never scotch, a type of whiskey), and the Irish. However, that idea leaves us without a non-specific term for citizens of the UK.
I think I would like to lighten this thread up a bit, appears to be getting a bit heavy.
I would agree with Angelika's original post ...British but the writer of the above has now upset everybody other than the English, or should I say true Brits!!! Ha Ha
the Welsh, by spelling them Welch,albeit may be a typo,
the Scots as their whiskey is spelt Whisky,
the Irish Whiskey has the e in it, spelt Whiskey
Carry on with the arguement??????
I'm British through and through!!!!
"Good Friday Agreement
(vi) recognise the birthright of all the people of Northern Ireland to identify themselves and be accepted as Irish or British, or both, as they may so choose, and accordingly confirm that their right to hold both British and Irish citizenship is accepted by both Governments and would not be affected by any future change in the status of Northern Ireland."
A person born in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland (with some exceptions under the Nationality Act) is a British citizen. All the Good Friday Agreement does is affirm their right to consider themselves Irish and to also hold Irish citizenship.
Yes, Batfink, this really does mean that a person born in NI is British whether they consider themselves to be or not.
Only one group of people in the world ever gets the right to choose their own citizenship: immigrants. Even they may not be able to shed their former citizenship. That's because sovereign states reserve the right to determine citizenship laws, not individuals.
Please try to keep the discussion from getting personal. Thanks
"By recognising their right to consider themselves Irish, then does that not mean that the state recuses itself from considering them British?"
Not at all. It simply means that the state (the UK) isn't concerned if they're dual citizens.*
This part of the agreement is not as significant as it sounds* and has far less to do with the UK than with the Republic of Ireland. For the UK, it's a no-brainer: if you're from NI you're automatically a British citizen anyway.
However, it's certainly not impossible that, if NI were to be incorporated into the ROI at some future date, it might ultimately lead to a loss of British citizenship.
* There are no qualifications on British citizenship that "preclude" citizenship in another country. So giving people in NI the right to consider themselves Irish actually changes nothing.
Last edited by e2e4; 24-Jul-2008 at 20:05.
I meant that if the state recognises the right of an NI citizen to consider themselves Irish, then the state would be hard pressed to consider them as British.
Recuse: To disqualify or seek to disqualify from participation in a decision on grounds such as prejudice or personal involvement. recuse. The American HeritageŽ Dictionary of the English Language: Fourth Edition. 2000.
Err, I'll leave the other one back
.. in our local "Irish bar", one of those identikit numbers sold all over that must be making a few boyos a euro or two. Slainte.
"Boyos" = boys/guys, "Slainte" is Irish for "Health" and is commonly used as a salutation between drinkers as is "Cheers", "Santé" is a similar expression in French.
I recall I once called a friend who was from Northern Irland "British". he felt offended.
I still don't know why he went off for such a little thing.