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    en(t)ertaining

    I believe the first 't' is not always actually pronounced in AE, much like 'twenty' or 'printer'. Is that correct?

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    Re: en(t)ertaining

    Quote Originally Posted by Francois
    I believe the first 't' is not always actually pronounced in AE, much like 'twenty' or 'printer'. Is that correct?

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    Yup. That's correct. The sound process by which the sequence of sounds /nt/ becomes [nn] is called progressive assimilation:

    entertainment => ennertainment
    twenty => twenny
    printer => prinner

    The Why:
    [n] and [t] share the same place of articulation but differ in manner of articulation: [n] is a nasal sound (air passes through the nose), whereas [t] is an oral sound (air passes through the mouth). In terms of ease of speech, it's easier to maintain [n] than to stop and change manner to [t]. That is, [nn] is more preferred in terms of economy than is [nt].


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    In the same vein, do you say "inneresting" in AE ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Francois
    In the same vein, do you say "inneresting" in AE ?

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    Speakers are known to pronounce it that way, yes. :)

    Similarily, unbelievable => unbelievable ~ umbelievable. The sounds "m" and "b" share a labial (i.e. lip) feature, whereas "n" and "b" do not.

    There's also, supposedly => suppozedly => suppozubly (-ub as in tub). /s/ is pronounced as [z] intervocalically (i.e. between two voiced sounds). /e/, a lax vowel, is neutralized to a wedge, for which I've used "u" to symbolize. "d" changes to the sound "b" by a process called progressive assimilation. That is, "b" and "p" share a labial feature.

    supposedly ~ supposebly

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    Quote Originally Posted by Francois
    In the same vein, do you say "inneresting" in AE ?

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    That's an intresting histry. :)

    What's the phonological rule being applied here?
    AH! I remembered it's segment-deletion. The deletion of a reduced vowel from certain phonetic contexts.


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    Similarily, unbelievable => unbelievable ~ umbelievable. The sounds "m" and "b" share a labial (i.e. lip) feature, whereas "n" and "b" do not.

    There's also, supposedly => suppozedly => suppozubly (-ub as in tub). /s/ is pronounced as [z] intervocalically (i.e. between two voiced sounds). /e/, a lax vowel, is neutralized to a wedge, for which I've used "u" to symbolize. "d" changes to the sound "b" by a process called progressive assimilation. That is, "b" and "p" share a labial feature.

    supposedly ~ supposebly
    I didn't know that.

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    [quote="blacknomi"]
    Quote Originally Posted by Francois
    In the same vein, do you say "inneresting" in AE ?

    FRC
    That's an intresting histry. :)

    What's the phonological rule being applied here?
    AH! I remembered it's segment-deletion. The deletion of a reduced vowel from certain phonetic contexts.[/quote

    The further South you go below the Mason-Dixon Line the more you will encounter this almost sloppy pronounciation. Y'all are in Dixie :wink:


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    I believe it's fairly common, and not particularly sloppy. Now, that's true that there's a wide variety of regional accents in the US, more or less "typical". For example, the Boston area accent sometimes sounds weird when you're not used to it ;)

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    Really? You meant it's a regional accent. I didn't know that since I heard lots of native speakers here say so. And my pronunciation has been sloppier for a while. 8)

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    Quote Originally Posted by blacknomi
    Really? You meant it's a regional accent. I didn't know that since I heard lots of native speakers here say so. And my pronunciation has been sloppier for a while. 8)
    All languages have those kinds of sound characteristics. It's universal. It has to do with ease of speech; the way sounds behave. 8)

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