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    Default If both sentences are right...

    Mount Tai is situated in Shandong Province,stretching over 200 kilometers.

    This land features snow-topped montain,lush forests, serene lakes,all contributing to the unique views of Jiuzhaigou.

    Here are two sentences from my textbook. They both have a presen cla
    use.While in the first sentence , the clause's subject is the subject of the entire sentence, The second one, it's the object of the entire sentence.


    My teacher once told me there is a principle called the unity of sujec, which is , of cousre , not obeyed in the above two sentences.


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    Default Re: If both sentences are right...

    1...If you mean that Mount Tai stretches over 200 kilometers, you should say 'Mount Tai, stretching over 200 kilometers, is situated in Shandong Province.'

    2...This land features snow-topped mountains, lush forests and serene lakes, all contributing to the unique views of Jiuzhaigou.

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    Question Re: If both sentences are right...

    Quote Originally Posted by 2006 View Post
    1...If you mean that Mount Tai stretches over 200 kilometers, you should say 'Mount Tai, stretching over 200 kilometers, is situated in Shandong Province.'

    2...This land features snow-topped mountains, lush forests and serene lakes, all contributing to the unique views of Jiuzhaigou.
    The two sentences have a clause in present tense.
    In the first one, the subject of the clause is the subject of the entire sentence.
    While in the second one, the subject of the clause is the object of the entire sentence.
    Does these two sentences contradictary?
    I mean, in some grammar books, I was taught that the subject of the
    present tense clause should be the subject of the entire sentence.

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    Default Re: If both sentences are right...

    Quote Originally Posted by AUTOMOON View Post
    The two sentences have a clause in present tense.
    In the first one, the subject of the clause is the subject of the entire sentence.
    While in the second one, the subject of the clause is the object of the entire sentence.
    Does these two sentences contradictary?
    I mean, in some grammar books, I was taught that the subject of the
    present tense clause should be the subject of the entire sentence.
    The main verb in your second sentence is "features". The subject is "This land". Then comes the object and an absolute clause.

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    Default Re: If both sentences are right...

    I know the subject , verb, object of the two sentences.
    I just want to know why the clause , all in present forms, have different part of the entire sentence as their subject.

    I hope I can be understood.

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    Default Re: If both sentences are right...

    Quote Originally Posted by AUTOMOON View Post
    I know the subject , verb, object of the two sentences.
    I just want to know why the clause , all in present forms, have different part of the entire sentence as their subject.

    I hope I can be understood.
    Eventually you will be.
    Let's see if we agree on the terms first.
    Here's sentence 2. again: This land features snow-topped mountains, lush forests and serene lakes, all contributing to the unique views of Jiuzhaigou.
    Your original claim was :
    While in the second one, the subject of the clause is the object of the entire sentence.

    There are two clauses in this sentence, a main clause and an absolute clause. When you say "the clause", which one are you referring to?
    i. If you mean the main clause, that is:
    "This land features snow-topped mountains, lush forests and serene lakes" So the subject of the clause is "This land", and you are claiming that "this land" is the object of the whole sentence. Is that your claim?
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    ii. If, by "the clause" you mean the absolute clause, the subject is "all", which refers to "snow-topped mountains, lush forests and serene lakes".
    So, the subject of the absolute clause (all) refers to the object of the main clause. The object of the absolute clause is "the unique views of Jiuzhaigou". Are you claiming that all is the object of the whole sentence?
    If neither of these is true, forget them, and can you tell me what you think is the object of this entire sentence, and what you think is "the subject of the clause".

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    Default Re: If both sentences are right...

    I think the clause is "all contributing to the unique views of Jiuzhaigou", so the subject of the clause is "all" as you stated in your second point,or specifically"snow-topped mountains, lush forests and serene lakes".

    The same sense of the clause applies in the first sentence.Actually, I never think the entire sentence can be a clause.The clause can only be part of the sentence, as far as I know.

    You are contientious,Raymott.

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    Default Re: If both sentences are right...

    Quote Originally Posted by AUTOMOON View Post
    I think the clause is "all contributing to the unique views of Jiuzhaigou", so the subject of the clause is "all" as you stated in your second point,or specifically"snow-topped mountains, lush forests and serene lakes".

    The same sense of the clause applies in the first sentence.Actually, I never think the entire sentence can be a clause.The clause can only be part of the sentence, as far as I know.

    You are contientious,Raymott.
    The sentence has two clauses! A main clause and an absolute clause. You cannot be understood if you keep saying "the clause" as if there is only one clause. I've explained that above.
    Anyway, the clause you are referring to, since you've spelt it out, is the absolute clause. So you are objecting to "all" (the subject of the absolute clause) being the object of the whole sentence.
    I don't see that as being a problem.

    What about: I like to eat apples, which are tasty.
    (The sentence has two clauses, a main clause and a subordinate clause. Any reference to this sentence by saying "the clause" will not be understood)
    This has the subject of the subordinate clause (which = apples) as the object of the whole sentence. Do you object to this?

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    Default Re: If both sentences are right...

    Mount Tai is situated in Shandong Province,stretching over 200 kilometers.

    This land features snow-topped montain,lush forests, serene lakes,all contributing to the unique views of Jiuzhaigou.


    I am not objecting to the case in your sentence.
    Above are two sentences with the abusolute clause's verb in present form.
    In this case , I was taught the subject of the abusolute sentence should be the subject of the entire sentence.
    In sentence one, the rule is obeyed.But in sentence two, the rule is not obeyed(with the subject of the abusolute clause being the object of the entire sentence).

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    Default Re: If both sentences are right...

    Quote Originally Posted by AUTOMOON View Post
    Mount Tai is situated in Shandong Province,stretching over 200 kilometers.

    This land features snow-topped montain,lush forests, serene lakes,all contributing to the unique views of Jiuzhaigou.


    I am not objecting to the case in your sentence.
    Above are two sentences with the abusolute clause's verb in present form.
    In this case , I was taught the subject of the abusolute sentence should be the subject of the entire sentence.
    In sentence one, the rule is obeyed.But in sentence two, the rule is not obeyed(with the subject of the abusolute clause being the object of the entire sentence).
    Then I disagree with what you've been taught.
    Your original claim mentioned nothing about absolute clauses, but that doesn't matter).
    How do you feel about this sentence, which is cognate to sentence 2.:
    I love apples and pears, they being the tastiest two fruits.



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