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    The sentence:

    We might use detailed large-scale maps to guide us when we go for walks in the countryside.

    Why not "ourselves" instead of "us"? Is such usage acceptable?

    (By the way, I take the infinitive "to guide us" as adverbial. Am I right?)

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    You'll see it, but there's no need for the reflexive. This usage annoys the purists, like Mike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tdol
    You'll see it, but there's no need for the reflexive. This usage annoys the purists, like Mike.
    Why doesn't it have to be the reflexive?

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    I'd use a reflexine pronoun in three cases

    1- emphasis
    2- where a verb could have a different objects- I hurt myself
    3- after a very few verbs that are reflexive, like pride\avail

    Here, the dentence is not emphatic, nor does it fir the second type as it simply the objects. You could use 'ourselves' in a different context- we use maps to position ourselves geographically' (all of us do it). Does this make any sense? Sorry, it isn't 7am yet and I haven't had my coffee.


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    Quote Originally Posted by tdol
    I'd use a reflexine pronoun in three cases

    1- emphasis
    2- where a verb could have a different objects- I hurt myself
    3- after a very few verbs that are reflexive, like pride\avail

    Here, the dentence is not emphatic, nor does it fir the second type as it simply the objects. You could use 'ourselves' in a different context- we use maps to position ourselves geographically' (all of us do it). Does this make any sense? Sorry, it isn't 7am yet and I haven't had my coffee.

    Thank you for your detailed explanation. But I don't understand this part:

    Quote Originally Posted by tdol
    You could use 'ourselves' in a different context- we use maps to position ourselves geographically'
    Isn't it the same kind of context?
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    By the way, I appreciate your help (as always :D), but I think you should have had your coffee first. What is "dentence (for "sentence"?)", "fir (for "fit"?)", and "as it simply the objects (I don't understand this part)".

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    I'd say that is a different context- the pronoun is wider in scope and encompasses humankind rather than a few individuals.

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    I see.

    By the way, if I say "...use detailed large-scale maps to guide ourselves" instead, is it gramatically wrong? Does it sound weird?

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    I wouldn't say it was grammatically wrong, but an unnecessary usage.

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