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    Quote Originally Posted by tdol
    I'd say "A1, A2 and other things that do as A" would be context driven. In the context, say, of the animals in Africa, then I'd say you are right, but in the context of the beach example, I'd say things are less clearcut. Language doesn't always have mathematical precision, IMO.
    But isn't it weird if the restrictive relative pronoun modified "rugs, towels, baskets"? In fact, you said:

    Quote Originally Posted by tdol
    This makes more sense to me:
    Arriving at the beach, people stake out a small territorial claim, marking it with rugs, towels, baskets and other belongings, to which they can return from their seaboard wanderings.

    Doesn't that fit better?
    I don't see any reason to restrict, identify, or differentiate those items, do you?

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    But isn't it weird if the restrictive relative pronoun modified "rugs, towels, baskets?

    Not to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tdol
    Not to me.
    Why not?? You have to know which kind of rugs, towels, baskets are meant? Classifying those items?

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    I just don't see the need to get the scalpel out and cur the other objects away so precisely as this- I see the sentence as muddier than you.

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    OK. So let me ask this question this way:

    Which interpretation is contextually more natural?

    (a) which=other belongings
    (b) which=rugs, towels, baskets and other belongings

    If (b), why?


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    By the way, I don't understand this part of your comments:

    Quote Originally Posted by tdol
    I just don't see the need to get the scalpel out and cur the other objects away so precisely as this- I see the sentence as muddier than you.

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    Cut

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    Quote Originally Posted by tdol
    Cut
    I see.

    tdol, tell me something. Why do you think in "Giraffes, lions and other animals that inhabit Africa", the relative pronoun refers only to "other animals", whereas in "rugs, towels, baskets and other belongings to which they can return...", things are less clear-cut?

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    We can assume that most know that giraffes live in Africa, but the main function of a rug is not to serve as a marker on a beach, but to sit on, yet they serve as markers when returning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tdol
    but the main function of a rug is not to serve as a marker on a beach
    But contextually, isn't it clear that the main function of a rug is to serve as a marker on a beach?

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    tdol?

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