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    Hi there
    How do you pronounce the word ‘Hull’ as in University of Hull? British say ‘ul’ as the ‘ul’ in ‘culture’ while American say ‘u’ as ‘a’ in ‘about’?

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    Peter, this is question of phonetics which is must be a constant source of confusion for ESL students. The word is Hull with - as you rightly said - the 'ul' of culture. With an American accent this would turn to 'al', but it doesn't mean that the latter way is correct; just said with an accent! There are countless other examples but don't sweat too much about it. Suffice to say, the English pronunciation is original.

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    Someone who came from Hull would probably use a different vowel (at least, among friends) - more like the one in pull. The Received Pronunciation vowel sound is /ʌ/. That doesn't mean that other accents are wrong - just that they may be misunderstood in contexts where RP is expected.

    As in this exchange between a London (Home Counties) solicitor and his (Northern) clerk:

    (Excuse puerile joke; my point is serious)

    RP: 'I've left the file at home and I need it in court this afternoon.'

    clerk: /fʌks ɪt ɷp/ ['Fax it up.']

    RP: 'Yes, it does, rather.'



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    Quote Originally Posted by BobK View Post
    Someone who came from Hull would probably use a different vowel (at least, among friends) - more like the one in pull. The Received Pronunciation vowel sound is /ʌ/. That doesn't mean that other accents are wrong - just that they may be misunderstood in contexts where RP is expected.

    As in this exchange between a London (Home Counties) solicitor and his (Northern) clerk:

    (Excuse puerile joke; my point is serious)

    RP: 'I've left the file at home and I need it in court this afternoon.'

    clerk: /fʌks ɪt ɷp/ ['Fax it up.']

    RP: 'Yes, it does, rather.'



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    Hi Bob,
    sorry to ask such a silly question but what do you mean by /ɷp/ in clerk's line in your joke. I don't know that phonetic symbol which is crucial for understanding the joke, I believe.. Since I understand the rest, give me a hint only about that one, please
    Thanks in advance,
    Seba

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    Quote Originally Posted by seba_870701 View Post
    Hi Bob,
    sorry to ask such a silly question but what do you mean by /ɷp/ in clerk's line in your joke. I don't know that phonetic symbol which is crucial for understanding the joke, I believe.. Since I understand the rest, give me a hint only about that one, please
    Thanks in advance,
    Seba
    [ɷ] represents the vowel sound in 'pull'. Whereas in RP "up" would be transcribed phonemically as /ʌp/, the clerk says [ɷp]. And, incidentally, he probably says "fax" with a vowel sound more like the pure [ɑ] - it's only us slaves to RP who hear it as /ʌ/.

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