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    Just thought I would post an interesting article on the future of English from the Telegraph. Does anyone agree? How about disagree?

    English will fragment into 'global dialects' - Telegraph

    I have my own opinions, but I'm interested to hear what others have to say on the subject.

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    right, to be honest, I never thought there was an Indian dialect of English...
    someone told me that when you speak one language incorrectly you have no right to say that you speak a dialectof English. The thing is you speak incorrectly, that's it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by banderas View Post
    right, to be honest, I never thought there was an Indian dialect of English...
    someone told me that when you speak one language incorrectly you have no right to say that you speak a dialect of English. The thing is you speak incorrectly, that's it.
    cheers
    That statement comes across as incredibly arrogant and out of touch with the realities of linguistics. Indian English is every bit as valid as US English or UK English. The same can be said for South African English, Australian English, NZ English, Canadian English, etc. The diversity and colour of the many variants of English is a great thing, something to be celebrated and embraced, which is why I have an entire section on my list of links devoted to World English. It is very disappointing to me to see a non-native English speaker swallowing and then regurgitating the prescriptivist propaganda of the sort of pople who would probably think that l'Académie Française is both a great idea and something needed by the English language.

    This is not an attack on you personally, banderas, but on the attitude expressed in your post. It is an attitude which I find repugnant, and which simply does not accept the realities of language development. I would strongly recommend the following three books to anyone who thinks that there is one "proper English" and that anybody not speaking that one variant is just plain wrong:

    Linguistics and Your Language — Robert A. Hall Jr.

    Language Myths — edited by Laurie Bauer and Peter Trudgill.

    The Unfolding of Language - Guy Deutscher.

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    I did not mean to offend anyone- just to let you know

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    Quote Originally Posted by banderas View Post
    I did not mean to offend anyone- just to let you know

    Yes, that was understood. As I said, it's the idea that I find offensive, not the person expressing it. It's also an idea that I hope learners of English do not adopt, although given the inherently prescriptivist nature of second-language learning, it's understandable if they do. Sadly, there are many English speakers who promote the "one pure English" sort of poppycock with real vigour and vim.

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    I do not promote "one pure English", stewart.

    Let me give you one exapmle. In London there is a big polish community. Most of these folks decided to find a better life here which is fine. They speak a poor English and the problem is they do not do much to improve it. Let's say these circumstances do not change for next 15 years and their level of English is remains the same. Can we talk about Polish dialect of English, then? There has to be some standard the learners should stick to, doesn't it?

    If i am not able to understand people speking English only because of that dialect, I am not happy with that And it does not matter whether I am English native speaker or not. . Do not get me wrong, I am for diversity but it should be diversity within English language unity (i.e The European Union).

    I am aware of the fact that there are plenty of English dialects all over the world (which I am happy about) but let's be down-to-earth with all this. Otherwise people start speaking 100 dialects of English and hardly anyone will be able to understand the other.
    No hard feelings, stewart, but respect my opinion and do not call me ignorant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stuartnz View Post
    .... I would strongly recommend the following three books to anyone who thinks that there is one "proper English" and that anybody not speaking that one variant is just plain wrong:

    Linguistics and Your Language — Robert A. Hall Jr.

    Language Myths — edited by Laurie Bauer and Peter Trudgill.

    The Unfolding of Language - Guy Deutscher.

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    I'd add this one: The Stories of English - David Crystal

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