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    Quote Originally Posted by tdol
    In London, I'm very different from the me in Japan.

    That works, but I wouldn't use it in formal writing.
    Then, what about this?:

    A genuinely sympathetic person is a rare and wonderful creature. He not only mourns when we mourns, he rejoices when we rejoice, he is able to identify with us in happiness as well as misfortune.

    Is it possible to take "in happiness as well as misfortune" as modifying us?

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    It's modifying more than just 'us', IMO; you'd have to include 'indentify with'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tdol
    It's modifying more than just 'us', IMO; you'd have to include 'indentify with'.
    My book says:

    in happiness = when we are happy
    (in) misfortune = when we are unfortunate

    Is it correct?

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    You mean indentity with (us in happiness) ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by tdol
    You mean indentity with (us in happiness) ??
    The translation goes like this:

    identify with = be in harmony with someone else's feeling
    in happiness = when we are happy/ (in) misfortune = when we are unfortunate

    therefore:

    "he is able to identify with us in happiness as well as misfortune" ="he is able to be in harmony with our feeling not only when we are unfortunate but also when we are happy.

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    He is able to identify with us in happiness as well as misfortune.
    I think "in happiness as well as misfortune" acts as an object complement, meaning when we are happy or unfortunate.

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    tdol?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taka
    Quote Originally Posted by tdol
    You mean indentity with (us in happiness) ??
    The translation goes like this:

    identify with = be in harmony with someone else's feeling
    in happiness = when we are happy/ (in) misfortune = when we are unfortunate

    therefore:

    "he is able to identify with us in happiness as well as misfortune" ="he is able to be in harmony with our feeling not only when we are unfortunate but also when we are happy.
    I feel that the function of the phrase links directlyto the identification, without the idenitification, there would be no quality. Therefore, I do not think that this phrase is simply modifying 'us'.

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    What about the interpretation of my book? Is it correct?

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