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    Question Objective & Personal Pronouns

    To check whether the following sentence is correct. Please advise.

    My father brought my brother and I to the beach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by west grove View Post
    To check whether the following sentence is correct. Please advise.

    My father brought my brother and I to the beach.
    My father took me and my brother to the beach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by west grove View Post
    To check whether the following sentence is correct. Please advise.

    My father brought my brother and I to the beach.
    No, in fact it's My father took my brother and me to the beach.

    With bring, there has to be movement between two parties, one being the speaker, for example,

    My father brought my brother to see me.
    When I come to see you, I'll bring my brother.

    As for the I/me choice, if the personal pronoun is the object, which it is here, then of course you say "me". In your sentence, my brother is co-ordinated with the personal pronoun. So to test for correctness, all you have to do is to remove "my brother and". If it sounds wrong, then your choice of "I" would be wrong. Let's try it out:

    *My father took I to the beach.

    Okay, so it's wrong!

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    Quote Originally Posted by banderas View Post
    My father took me and my brother to the beach.
    My apologies Banderas, we've done it again! The time it took me to write this then post it, I saw too late that you had already posted yours!

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    Quote Originally Posted by naomimalan View Post
    My apologies Banderas, we've done it again! The time it took me to write this then post it, I saw too late that you had already posted yours!
    That's fine, Naomimalan, your explanation is a way better than mine. It is good to know you are around anyway.

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    It is good to know you are around anyway.
    It's mutual!

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    Quote Originally Posted by naomimalan View Post

    With bring, there has to be movement between two parties, one being the speaker, for example,

    My father brought my brother to see me.
    When I come to see you, I'll bring my brother.
    There seems to be something I don't quite understand then.
    If you can say, I brought my little sister to the party, why is the following sentence wrong? My father brought my brother and me to the beach.
    To me, there's only a slight difference between saying someone brought someone else somewhere and someone took someone else somewhere It's all about the point of view of the speaker, I reckon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by engee30 View Post
    If you can say, I brought my little sister to the party, why is the following sentence wrong? My father brought my brother and me to the beach.
    It's all about the point of view of the speaker, I reckon.
    I reckon too except for the sentence below is incomplete. Something is missing.
    My father brought my brother and me to the beach. Why? and what now? Was anybody waiting there? Perhaps their mother? Did you know you would be there? If not, it sounds odd.

    Now your sentence:
    I brought my little sister to the party. It is fine because you knew you would be there after all so it it'll count as moving towards you, the speaker.

    But you made a good point saying that when the relevant point of focus is not the place of speaking itself, the difference obviously depends on the context.

    I am sure Naomimalan knew what he was talking about.
    Last edited by banderas; 10-Apr-2008 at 21:38. Reason: typo

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    Quote Originally Posted by banderas View Post
    I reckon too except for the sentence below is incomplete. Something is missing.
    My father brought my brother and me to the beach. Why? and what now? Was anybody waiting there? Perhaps their mother? Did you know you would be there? If not, it sounds odd.

    Now your sentence:
    I brought my little sister to the party. It is fine because you knew you would be there after all so it it'll count as moving towards you, the speaker.
    Well, to my way of thinking, the two sentences are of equal meaning, I mean they both convey a sense of somebody's moving from one place to another, no matter whether they are taken or brought by someone, no matter whether they know who can expect them to arrive or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by engee30 View Post
    Well, to my way of thinking, the two sentences are of equal meaning, I mean they both convey a sense of somebody's moving from one place to another, no matter whether they are taken or brought by someone, no matter whether they know who can expect them to arrive or not.
    Take is used to describe movement away from the position of the speaker/hearer whereas bring to describe movement to the place where the speaker/hearer is, was or will be
    The speaker neither is , was or will be at the beach.
    If the speaker was there earlier (at the beach) and knew he would be there again, your sentence would make sense. But we do not know it. For this reason "My father took my brother and me.." is a much better choice.

    I brought you some flowers. NOT took you
    Bring me a cup of tea. NOT take me
    Last edited by banderas; 10-Apr-2008 at 23:26. Reason: afterthought

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