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    Dear teachers,

    I would like to share a new embarrassment over my unsuccessful and vain efforts to get things properly under control.

    What promped me to write the present post? The following rudimentary sentence which contents three ill-defined places for me gave an occasion to ask for your help.

    These "failed backs" are a source of sorrow to the doctor and distress to the patient; no one knows why some backs turn out this way.

    Would you be kind enough explain to me the proper meanings of the words in bold?

    sorrow
    IN BRIEF: Sadness and grief.

    One can endure sorrow alone, but it takes two to be glad.

    distress
    IN BRIEF: Sorrow or anxiety. Also: Danger.

    I have never known any distress that an hour's reading did not relieve. Charles de Secondat.

    I know at least five different meaning of this phrasal verb but I chose the following one:

    turn out = emerge

    Thank you in advance for your efforts.

    Regards.

    V

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    Default Re: sorrow / distress/ turn out

    Quote Originally Posted by vil View Post
    These "failed backs" are a source of sadness to the doctor and suffering to the patient; no one knows why some backs result this way.

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    I don't know if it sounds clearer to you this way...

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    Hi Heidita,

    Perfectly! I am fully satisfied with your ingenious explanation. Thank you for your skilful modification my original sentence.

    It appears to me that for me all too easy to find a common language with a NNES than with some overwinning NES which have gotten in their short-witted heads that some NNES are all out for to take the bread out of their mouth. My only striving is to learn English and I will fulfil my wish with the help of the dedicated teachers and the large number philanhtropic NES’ to spite of the mentioned above self-satisfied NES’ which disguise their Phanariot gist behind trumped-up charges against others for disorderly conduct..

    Regards.

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    Last edited by vil; 15-Apr-2008 at 05:31.

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    These "failed backs" are a source of sadness to the doctor and suffering to the patient; no one knows why some backs turn out this way.

    "Turn out" is fine - it means "prove to be [weak] in the end", i.e. that some backs have a weakness that is not explicable.

    There is nothing in the sentence to allow the use of "result".

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    Default Re: sorrow / distress/ turn out

    Quote Originally Posted by Anglika View Post

    There is nothing in the sentence to allow the use of "result".

    I know that turn out is the best choice, Anglika. I was trying to find some sort of explanation or rephrasing for "turn out", as vil asked.

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    Default Re: sorrow / distress/ turn out

    Quote Originally Posted by heidita View Post
    I know that turn out is the best choice, Anglika. I was trying to find some sort of explanation or rephrasing for "turn out", as vil asked.
    In this case there is not a suitable alternative. Sometimes the idiomatic English is the best for the sense. There is nothing in the sentence to allow for the choice of result - which has to have a cause.

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    Default Re: sorrow / distress/ turn out

    Hi Anglika,

    Thank you for your tactful inclusion in the present thread. Thank you also for your extremely interpretation of the expression “turn out”.

    There are my further speculations concerning the expression in question.

    turn out = be found to be in the end; also, end up, result, as in
    The rookie turned out to be a fine fielder, or
    The cake didn't turn out very well.

    turn out = to end up; result:
    The cake turned out beautifully.

    turn out = make one’s mark as…
    turn out = prove to be, be found to be (your accenting)

    it turn out that = it was found that

    my fears proved groundless = my fears turned out groundless

    What will you say about that one usage of the expression “turn out”?

    Did anything really ever turn out the way human beings so carefully planned.
    , my experience is that they are very bitter when their labours don't turn out the way the NCT has predicted.
    She wasn’t turning out very well
    Stories that turn out hppily
    We shall see how things turn out.

    Why Children Turn Out the Way
    …we humans want to know why we have it or why we don't. What makes us the way we are? Maybe it's in our genes, maybe it's how we were raised, maybe it's a little of both--in any case, Mom and Dad usually receive both the credit and the blame. But not so fast, says developmental psychology writer Judith Rich Harris.

    There are some more examples:

    , or even instead of such techniques which may turn out to be counter-productive in terms of time taken and the number of candidates produced.
    In practice they do not always turn out so much better, for a number of reasons.
    There are many alternative paths available to follow and many of these paths will turn out to be dead ends.
    The debates will turn out to be less clear and clean than they seem in this outline.

    The situation could have been embarrassing when Corinne took over --; but it did not turn out that way.
    Things weren't supposed to turn out that way.

    All this is of great interest to us but is simultaneously so unbounded and unaccountable for me.

    Regards.

    V.

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