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    #21
    Thanks for the links. :D

    I've read a lot of this and that at home, including books. They are almost perfect only if they offered explanations that why 'both+pronoun' doesn't work well.

    So your analysis is the most precious! :D


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    #22

    Re: both/ both of

    Quote Originally Posted by Casiopea
    Note that, 'you', a pronoun, cannot be directly modified by an adjective. That's why "of" is required.
    Silly of me. :D 8)

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    #23
    Quote Originally Posted by blacknomi
    Quote Originally Posted by X Mode

    blacknomi,
    I think it's just a word order issue we are dealing with here. Does this make sense to you? It simply appears that we don't use "both" before a subject pronoun. It can come after, but not before. I never noticed that before. Now I notice it.


    So did I. Thanks to my LOVELY students whose questions make my brain and yours work hard.

    Glad both you and Cas notice it.

    :wink:
    It's so much fun.

    :D 8)


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    #24

    Re: both/ both of

    Quote Originally Posted by Casiopea
    In short, "of" is required when prenominal "Both" modifies one pronoun:

    EX: Both of you are correct.
    EX: Both of them are correct.
    All of us see eye to eye to one another on this.

    Ooops, I forget your names, mm

    Thank you and you. :D

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    #25

    Re: both/ both of

    Quote Originally Posted by blacknomi
    Quote Originally Posted by Casiopea
    In short, "of" is required when prenominal "Both" modifies one pronoun:

    EX: Both of you are correct.
    EX: Both of them are correct.
    All of us see eye to eye to one another on this.

    Ooops, I forget your names, mm

    Thank you and you. :D
    Quote Originally Posted by Casiopea
    In short, "of" is required when prenominal "Both" modifies one pronoun:

    EX: Both of you are correct.
    EX: Both of them are correct.

    Yes, but I think the point is that it can't be a subject pronoun that "both" modifies in this way. It has to be an object pronoun. - know what I mean?

    We can't say "both of they", but we can say "both of them". This brings us back to "you". We can say "both of you", but we can't say "both of you". In the second one "you" is a subject pronoun. In the first one "you" is an object pronoun.



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    #26

    Re: both/ both of

    Quote Originally Posted by X Mode
    Yes, but I think the point is that it can't be a subject pronoun that "both" modifies in this way. It has to be an object pronoun. - know what I mean?
    Is Pope Catholic? :D

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    Re: both/ both of

    Quote Originally Posted by blacknomi
    Quote Originally Posted by X Mode
    Yes, but I think the point is that it can't be a subject pronoun that "both" modifies in this way. It has to be an object pronoun. - know what I mean?
    Is Pope Catholic? :D

    Is he?



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    #28

    Re: both/ both of

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    Quote Originally Posted by blacknomi
    Quote Originally Posted by X Mode
    Yes, but I think the point is that it can't be a subject pronoun that "both" modifies in this way. It has to be an object pronoun. - know what I mean?
    Is Pope Catholic? :D

    Is he?

    Are we thinking the same?

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    #29

    Re: both/ both of

    Quote Originally Posted by blacknomi
    Quote Originally Posted by X Mode
    Quote Originally Posted by blacknomi
    Quote Originally Posted by X Mode
    Yes, but I think the point is that it can't be a subject pronoun that "both" modifies in this way. It has to be an object pronoun. - know what I mean?
    Is Pope Catholic? :D

    Is he?

    Are we thinking the same?
    I think so.



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    #30
    Okie dokie.
    I think our eyeballs are rolling on the floor for a while. 8)

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