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    Default Re: count and noncount nouns

    More noncount nouns:
    homework
    research
    hardware
    software

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    Default Re: count and noncount nouns

    Quote Originally Posted by RonBee View Post
    Some noncount nouns:
    advice
    help
    ..........
    You can not have advices, helps, feedbacks, or informations. You can give some advice, get some help, receive some feedback, or require some information. Adjectives that do not apply:
    several
    a few
    many
    Hi,
    "Help" is noncount, right. However, I tried to do a search on the Internet and I could see that there are so many websites which use "Helps", even they come from American countries. So, "Helps" is not totally incorrect?
    Thank you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by THG View Post
    Hi,
    "Help" is noncount, right. However, I tried to do a search on the Internet and I could see that there are so many websites which use "Helps", even they come from American countries. So, "Helps" is not totally incorrect?
    Thank you!
    Certainly, the word "helps" is used quite often, but it is normally used as a verb, not a noun. (I Looked up "helps" too and there were no surprises.) Certainly, there are noun uses for "help", but the word is not normally pluralized. For example, we would not say "Thank you for your helps'. You could say "Thank you for all your help".


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    Default Re: count and noncount nouns

    More noncount nouns:
    foliage
    input

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    Default Re: count and noncount nouns

    More noncount nouns:
    equipment
    potential
    shrubbery
    pollution
    cutlery
    cookery
    crockery
    spinach
    furniture
    volume
    discomfort
    homework
    housework
    work (usually)
    Last edited by RonBee; 21-Jul-2008 at 18:53. Reason: add something ("volume") ("discomfort") ("homework") ("housework") ("work")

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    Default Re: count and noncount nouns

    Why the confusion?

    If you can count the word, like

    One car, two cars, three cars

    then car must be countable



    just try counting the word to see if it is countable

    One rice, two rice, three rice

    No,
    rice is not countable, you have to say a grain of rice, or a sack of rice



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    Default Re: count and noncount nouns

    Quote Originally Posted by the concierge View Post
    Why the confusion?

    If you can count the word, like

    One car, two cars, three cars

    then car must be countable



    just try counting the word to see if it is countable

    One rice, two rice, three rice

    No, rice is not countable, you have to say a grain of rice, or a sack of rice

    Hi again, the concierge.
    And thank you again for your response to my thread.

    Well, yes...I think you are absolutely right. 'Try counting' is a good way. I feel, however, it(counting) would not be the best way for non-native speakers to know whether the noun is countable or not. It would be best for us(non-native speakers) to know why.

    Well. the table(chart?) below is how I see it.
    I'd appreciate it if you could add(modifiy/correct) more points below.

    <the>.....................<a(an)-countable>.. ............<uncountable>
    too big in size...........ordinary in size...................too small in size
    the only one.............you can grab(see) it..........you can't grab(see) it
    we know 'which one'..concrete notion..................abstract notion

    There are no rules but exceptions....

    Thank you in advance!

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    Default Re: count and noncount nouns

    exceptions need rules to exist

    I don't get your table - size doesn't have anything to do wth whether something is countable or not


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    Default Re: count and noncount nouns

    Quote Originally Posted by the concierge View Post
    exceptions need rules to exist

    I don't get your table - size doesn't have anything to do wth whether something is countable or not
    Hi, the concierge!

    I know what you mean.

    Well... the reason that I used '...in size' is that...I wanted to illustrate...
    'The bigger the thing(noun), the more concrete it becomes.' And it means you can easily see and grab(, or whatever you may call it..) it. You can count it because you can see it. If you can't see it, you can't count it. (The smaller the thing(noun), Am I correct?

    For example...

    1) sand
    Each tiny piece of sand, which is barely recognizable, sort of...gather together at one place...and you see 'sand' as it is. There are too many pieces of sand to count. (May I call it 'collective'?) Therefore it is 'uncoutable'.

    2)coffee
    You can see it. But you can't grab it because it's a liquid. You can't recognize it as a 'concrete object'.
    Therefore it is 'uncountable'.
    If it is recognized as a 'concrete object', it can be 'countable'. For example...if the coffee is in a cup, it is more concrete than just 'coffee'.
    In that case, we can say 'Two coffees' or 'Three coffees'. (Am I wrong?)

    3) air
    You can't see it. Therefore it is 'uncountable'

    4) love
    You can't see it. Therefore 'uncountable'.

    As for 3) and 4), when you see(use) them as 'concrete objects', they can be countable.

    Oh...it's so hard to explain them in English..but...
    this is one of the ways I use to tell 'countable' from 'uncountable'.

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    My advice is to treat all uncount nouns as phenomena, and count nouns as their representatives.

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