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    Quote Originally Posted by tzfujimino View Post
    Yes! I quite agree with you, banderas!
    What about "you die" vs "you wil die"?
    Context governs this.
    I will look after your children if you die. Not will die.
    I will look after you till you die. Not till you will die.
    Or :
    You die so many times; how can you expect them to believe in your death?

    You get too close, you die. Zero Conditional.

    Where do you think you'll go when you die? Not will die.

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    Quote Originally Posted by banderas View Post
    Context governs this.
    I will look after your children if you die. Not will die.
    I will look after you till you die. Not till you will die.
    Or :
    You die so many times; how can you expect them to believe in your death?

    You get too close, you die. Zero Conditional.

    Where do you think you'll go when you die? Not will die.
    Yes, whether or not you add "will" really depends on the context.
    I agree with you, banderas.

    What I meant was...
    in light of enydia's quote?,"Remember that you will die, that everything ends, and that happiness comes not in denying this but in living with it."
    wouldn't you think "you will die" sounds more euphemistic than "you die"?

    Well, I just feel like this way, that's all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enydia View Post
    Hi, Teachers.

    I saw this sentence from a reading material:
    Remember that you will die, that everything ends, and that happiness comes not in denying this but in living with it.

    I think it's a very nice sentence, isn't it? But I don't know why the writer used 'everything ends' but not 'everything will end.' In my opinion, the former one sounds that everything is ending. Can you give some advice?

    Thanks in advance.
    Unlike 'you will die', 'everything ends' is not understood as a future action. The latter describes a universal truth. Besides, there may also be a cause-consequence relationship between these two fragments: you will die, because everything ends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clark View Post
    Unlike 'you will die', 'everything ends' is not understood as a future action. The latter describes a universal truth. Besides, there may also be a cause-consequence relationship between these two fragments: you will die, because everything ends.
    I agree with you, Clark.
    Then....how does this sound to you :
    "Remember that you die, that everything ends....."?
    Would you think it's OK to say so?

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    Quote Originally Posted by banderas View Post
    Context governs this.
    I will look after your children if you die. Not will die.
    I will look after you till you die. Not till you will die.
    Or :
    You die so many times; how can you expect them to believe in your death?

    You get too close, you die. Zero Conditional.

    Where do you think you'll go when you die? Not will die.
    Perfectly explained!

    OT: You are "avatar-less". Where is your nice picture, banderas? Looking for something new?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tzfujimino View Post
    Yes, whether or not you add "will" really depends on the context.
    I agree with you, banderas.

    What I meant was...
    in light of enydia's quote?,"Remember that you will die, that everything ends, and that happiness comes not in denying this but in living with it."
    wouldn't you think "you will die" sounds more euphemistic than "you die"?
    No. It does not sound more euphemistic. They are simply used differently.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RonBee View Post
    No. It does not sound more euphemistic. They are simply used differently.

    Thank you, Ronbee!
    Is it possible to say :
    "Remember that you die, that everything ends..."
    instead of "Remember that you will die, that everything ends..."??
    Is it ungrammatical?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tzfujimino View Post
    I agree with you, Clark.
    Then....how does this sound to you :
    "Remember that you die, that everything ends....."?
    Would you think it's OK to say so?

    'You' is used here as an indefinite pronoun, as an informal equivalent for 'one'.

    'Remember that one dies, that everything ends ...'

    So Present Simple to describe things that are always true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clark View Post
    'You' is used here as an indefinite pronoun, as an informal equivalent for 'one'.

    'Remember that one dies, that everything ends ...'

    So Present Simple to describe things that are always true.
    Thank you, Clark!
    So, you think it's OK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tzfujimino View Post
    I agree with you, Clark.
    Then....how does this sound to you :
    "Remember that you die, that everything ends....."?
    Would you think it's OK to say so?
    No. Dying is something a person does only once. "Remember that you" should be followed by mention of something that the person has done in the past. Perhaps it is something that person is in the habit of doing. Any number of things could follow that phrase, but die is not one of them.


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