Page 2 of 4 FirstFirst 1234 LastLast
Results 11 to 20 of 40
  1. #11
    riverkid is offline Banned
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Posts
    3,064
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: Went to vs has gone to

    Quote Originally Posted by heidita View Post
    She is going to the prison indicates by no means that the person is an intern.
    She is in prison, does.
    Hello, Heidita.

    I've never heard 'intern' used in the noun form to refer to someone who is imprisoned, though it's possible that it is used that way in some dialect. Of course there is the verb form that is used that way, "interned in a prison camp".

  2. #12
    heidita's Avatar
    heidita is offline Senior Member
    • Member Info
      • Member Type:
      • English Teacher
      • Native Language:
      • Spanish
      • Home Country:
      • Europe
      • Current Location:
      • Europe
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Posts
    1,436
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: Went to vs has gone to

    Quote Originally Posted by riverkid View Post
    Hello, Heidita.

    I've never heard 'intern' used in the noun form to refer to someone who is imprisoned, though it's possible that it is used that way in some dialect. Of course there is the verb form that is used that way, "interned in a prison camp".
    Thanks, river, I thought it might be used in the context of prisons too. I have checked and it is apparently only used as referring to students.

    Thank you for pointing it out.

  3. #13
    rj1948 is offline Senior Member
    • Member Info
      • Member Type:
      • Academic
      • Native Language:
      • Tamil
      • Home Country:
      • India
      • Current Location:
      • India
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    619
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: Went to vs has gone to

    Quote Originally Posted by heidita View Post
    Thanks, river, I thought it might be used in the context of prisons too. I have checked and it is apparently only used as referring to students.

    Thank you for pointing it out.
    ..was interned-not used as noun.
    Intern(verb)=put someone in prison.
    Source:Cambridge advanced Learners'Dictionary.
    Regards,
    rj1948.
    Last edited by rj1948; 04-Jun-2008 at 11:45.

  4. #14
    drowley is offline Newbie
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Posts
    1
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: Went to vs has gone to

    Hi,
    I've taught English for 15 years and this question has often come up. The previous posts have done (present perfect because it's in the recent past) a very good job explaining the grammar.

    I'd just add that Americans use the simple past much more than our British English speaking friends. (Also the reason why someone else noted the difference comes from the definite article usage. Americans use the definite article in the example the post used. Brits don't.)

    No wonder it's confusing! Americans use it differently than British English speakers.

  5. #15
    BobK's Avatar
    BobK is offline Harmless drudge
    • Member Info
      • Member Type:
      • English Teacher
      • Native Language:
      • English
      • Home Country:
      • UK
      • Current Location:
      • UK
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Posts
    15,322
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: Went to vs has gone to

    Quote Originally Posted by heidita View Post
    Thanks, river, I thought it might be used in the context of prisons too. I have checked and it is apparently only used as referring to students.

    Thank you for pointing it out.
    A related word _does_ exist, or did until the suspension of hostilities in Northern Ireland. For a time, the authorities (British) could - constitutionally, at the time - detain suspected freedom fighters/terrorists (choose which word you prefer, according to your allegiance - to the UK or to Eire) without trial. They were held in 'internment camps', and were referred to as 'internees. So a student could say 'I was an intern at Glaxo Smith-Kline' but a member of the Irish Republican Army might also say 'I was interned at Long Kesh' (read more about this sort of internment here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Kesh ).



    b

  6. #16
    e2e4 is offline Senior Member
    • Member Info
      • Member Type:
      • Interested in Language
      • Native Language:
      • Serbo-Croatian
      • Home Country:
      • Bosnia Herzegovina
      • Current Location:
      • Bosnia Herzegovina
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Posts
    844
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: Went to vs has gone to

    Quote Originally Posted by Metathron View Post
    Hi all,

    I am unsure what the difference is between these two sentences:

    1. She went to prison.

    2. She's gone to the prison.

    In both cases, she is now in prison, right?

    Is the difference only in tense, i.e. in the first case this happened in the past, and in the second this also happened in the past, but it could've been very recently, so as to have a connection with the present?

    Thanks you.
    Your number one is wrong. You should have said when she went to prison or which one she went to.
    You must have pointed to the past using definite adverb of time or the exact place which would make the action definite in the past, what we use the simple past for.

    Using number 2) we dunno whether she's in or not.
    The sentence expresses only the fact that she's taken the way along there.
    Who knows, she might have been walking all around the globe before she call by.

    So never has she ever been in there!
    Last edited by e2e4; 24-Jul-2008 at 21:50.

  7. #17
    heidita's Avatar
    heidita is offline Senior Member
    • Member Info
      • Member Type:
      • English Teacher
      • Native Language:
      • Spanish
      • Home Country:
      • Europe
      • Current Location:
      • Europe
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Posts
    1,436
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: Went to vs has gone to

    Sorry, e2e4, but your English is simply not good enough.

  8. #18
    e2e4 is offline Senior Member
    • Member Info
      • Member Type:
      • Interested in Language
      • Native Language:
      • Serbo-Croatian
      • Home Country:
      • Bosnia Herzegovina
      • Current Location:
      • Bosnia Herzegovina
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Posts
    844
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: Went to vs has gone to

    Quote Originally Posted by heidita View Post
    Sorry, e2e4, but your English is simply not good enough.
    For sure it isn't. That's why I'm on here.

    But Heidita,

    what I said about the present perfect vs simple past you do not agree to this time?
    Last edited by e2e4; 24-Jul-2008 at 21:55.

  9. #19
    heidita's Avatar
    heidita is offline Senior Member
    • Member Info
      • Member Type:
      • English Teacher
      • Native Language:
      • Spanish
      • Home Country:
      • Europe
      • Current Location:
      • Europe
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Posts
    1,436
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: Went to vs has gone to

    Quote Originally Posted by e2e4 View Post
    For sure it isn't. That's why I'm -- here.

    But Heidita,

    what did I say about the present perfect vs simple past you do not agree to this time?
    Sorry, your post is full of mistakes, not only grammar mistakes but spelling.

    Please, feel free to reread my post and you will see my point of view on this matter.

    It might be a good idea to at least indicate, that you are NOT a teacher. (as recommended, by the way)

  10. #20
    e2e4 is offline Senior Member
    • Member Info
      • Member Type:
      • Interested in Language
      • Native Language:
      • Serbo-Croatian
      • Home Country:
      • Bosnia Herzegovina
      • Current Location:
      • Bosnia Herzegovina
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Posts
    844
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: Went to vs has gone to

    Quote Originally Posted by heidita View Post
    Sorry, your post is full of mistakes, not only grammar mistakes but spelling.

    Please, feel free to reread my post and you will see my point of view on this matter.
    I will.
    It might be a good idea to at least indicate, that you are NOT a teacher. (as recommended, by the way, that is not recomended on here but on the ask teacher forum, only)
    on here, on the ask teacher forum ...is correct because of the net. You can not get in here, here, but on here only.

    What I said form... was correct in the 17th century I think.
    Let me say, it was an oversight.

    In addition

    I looked back at my first post and I am going tell you the next

    I knew that in BrE definite article should be omited in front of curch, prison, home etc.
    Nowadays, and in my bloody opinion, the the shouldn't be omitted in front of prison or church when used with the simple past for we do not live in the 16th century when only one either church or prison was in the city or the village.

    She went to the prison. or She went to (name) prison.

    But I am not sure it means she is in the prison now because she went there by her will.

    She was taken to the prison, yesterday. means she is probably there now.

    In the second sentence the prison is used. I am not sure it can be used together with the present perfect aspect. My opinion is that it shouldn't be in use with the present perfect. She's gone to some prison., would be better, much better, I think.
    Last edited by e2e4; 25-Jul-2008 at 21:06.

Page 2 of 4 FirstFirst 1234 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
Hotchalk