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    Default give up vs. give in

    What is the difference between these two combinations when they both mean to admit defeat?

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    Default Re: give up vs. give in

    give up : cease making an effort; resign oneself to failure.

    If you are trying to solve a difficult problem, but can't, then you might say, "Oh, I give up." Also applies to trying to put together Ikea furniture!
    Or the person asking a riddle might say to the other, "Do you give up?"

    give in : cease fighting or arguing; yield; surrender
    Two people are having a wrestling match, and John has Paul in some hold that he can't break out of. John might then ask,"Do you give in?" That is, 'surrender'.

    Recognizing in oneself that you can't 'win' or 'do it' - that the situation, whether a battle or a riddle, has defeated you - will then cause you to 'give up' or 'give in'
    Any clearer or not?
    Last edited by David L.; 28-May-2008 at 10:02.

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    Default Re: give up vs. give in

    Some more examples:

    You've lost something. You look for it. After a while you get tired of looking, so you stop looking. You give up looking.

    Every time you go past the toy shop, your little girl says "Mommy, may I please have a new doll?"
    After the 50th time, you give in [to her pleading], and buy the new doll.

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    Default Re: give up vs. give in

    Will it be right to say that

    - 'give up' implies man -- thing (or idea) interraction, and
    - 'give in' man -- man interrection?

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    Default Re: give up vs. give in

    Quote Originally Posted by Clark View Post
    Will it be right to say that

    - 'give up' implies man -- thing (or idea) interraction, and
    - 'give in' man -- man interrection? I think so. Note that sometimes it is difficult to say if the interaction is between a man and a thing or a man and a man, as in:
    1. You'll never guess the answer - do you give in?
    2. You'll never guess the answer - do you give up?
    Both work.
    Tell me about the interaction in my examples?
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    Default Re: give up vs. give in

    Will it be right to say that

    - 'give up' implies man -- thing (or idea) interraction, and
    - 'give in' man -- man interrection?
    Hmm, that's the kind of question I rather pass on, since there are English speakers who can give a more accurate answer.

    But in case it helps, when I think of the clearest example of "give up", I always think of "give up smoking". You stop doing something as opposed to "give in" which means "surrender".

    I daresay "give up" comes followed by a gerund, at least most of the times, whereas "give in" does not.

    Again, I'm just a student.

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    Default Re: give up vs. give in

    Quote Originally Posted by Kraken View Post

    But in case it helps, when I think of the clearest example of "give up", I always think of "give up smoking". You stop doing something as opposed to "give in" which means "surrender".
    Good explanation!

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    Default Re: give up vs. give in

    Quote Originally Posted by Kraken View Post
    Hmm, that's the kind of question I rather pass on, since there are English speakers who can give a more accurate answer.

    But in case it helps, when I think of the clearest example of "give up", I always think of "give up smoking". You stop doing something as opposed to "give in" which means "surrender".

    I daresay "give up" comes followed by a gerund, at least most of the times, whereas "give in" does not.

    Again, I'm just a student.
    Right, Kraken. This is another distinguishing feature. It refers to the valency of the units in question.

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    Default Re: give up vs. give in

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    By using in/up you have already prompted me the right interpretation. It happens quite often when one and the same fact can be interpreted differently. That's what language is about - man's mind.

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    Default Re: give up vs. give in

    Let's just stop for a moment. What are we talking about here?

    Tell me, how is 'give up smoking' a defeat in the sense of resigning oneself to failure?

    I think we've got lost here!!

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