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    Hello, teachers!

    Can we say either got or gotten in this sentence, especially in AmE?

    - We've really got/gotten this business going now.

    Thank you very much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jandi
    Hello, teachers!

    Can we say either got or gotten in this sentence, especially in AmE?

    - We've really got/gotten this business going now.

    Thank you very much.
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    Hello Jandi,

    I think that in AmE is usually used "gotten", "got" is usually used in BE.

    Any other comments are welcome.

    Kind regards,
    Dany

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    Default Re: have got & have gotten

    Quote Originally Posted by Jandi
    Hello, teachers!

    Can we say either got or gotten in this sentence, especially in AmE?

    - We've really got/gotten this business going now.

    Thank you very much.
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    First let's take a look at this:

    have got - This can mean "to have in one's possession".

    example: I've got a small business.

    have got to - This is the same as "have to". Use it to express obligation.

    example:

    We've got to work hard to keep our business going.


    Now for your sentence:

    Yes, both are correct. In BE "got" is the past participle of "get". In AE "gotten" is the past participle of "get".

    We've really got/gotten this business going now.

    Let's look at BE:

    In BE "We've really gotten this business going now." is not okay. This is BE, "We've really got this business going now."



    In AE we say, "We've really gotten this business going now."

    That's the present perfect using the verb "get".

    Here's the simple past, "We really got that business going, didn't we?"



    Now, in AE it is also be correct to say, "We've really got this business going now." but the meaning and grammatical form would not be the same.

    We've really got this business going now. = We really have this business going now. = We possess this business. It is successful, and we made it that way.

    This should not be confused with the present perfect in AE. In BE it could be read and understood as the present perfect. In AE this is not the present perfect.

    We've really gotten this business going now. - This means "We made it so that this business is functioning well and is successful." or "We made it so that this business is really going now."

    This is the present perfect in AE. have + gotten

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    I consider this to be a related question.

    http://www.usingenglish.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7457

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    Here's the simple past, "We really got that business going, didn't we?" <<


    Couldn't that also be an informal spoken version of "We've really got that business going?

    So then you'd have to change the tag question, wouldn't you? It wouldn't be in the past then, would it?

    "We really got that business going, don't we?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by X Mode
    Here's the simple past, "We really got that business going, didn't we?" <<


    Couldn't that also be an informal spoken version of "We've really got that business going?

    So then you'd have to change the tag question, wouldn't you? It wouldn't be in the past then, would it?

    "We really got that business going, don't we?"

    That's a good point.

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    We've really got this business going now. = We really have this business going now. = We possess this business. It is successful, and we made it that way.

    This should not be confused with the present perfect in AE. In BE it could be read and understood as the present perfect. In AE this is not the present perfect.

    We've really gotten this business going now. - This means "We made it so that this business is functioning well and is successful." or "We made it so that this business is really going now."
    What's the difference in meaning, precisely? I don't get it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Francois
    We've really got this business going now. = We really have this business going now. = We possess this business. It is successful, and we made it that way.

    This should not be confused with the present perfect in AE. In BE it could be read and understood as the present perfect. In AE this is not the present perfect.

    We've really gotten this business going now. - This means "We made it so that this business is functioning well and is successful." or "We made it so that this business is really going now."
    What's the difference in meaning, precisely? I don't get it.

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    I'm not sure I can explain the difference in meaning. There wouldn't be too much of a real semantical difference. The same understanding is achieved by using either one.

    I'll try another explanation.

    We've really gotten this business going. - I would say that the present perfect emphasizes the action more. We've done something. We really did it.

    We've really got this business going. - I would say that using "have got" emphazises the current state of how things are. This is how things are, and we're the ones that did it.


    We really have this business going. - same as the one above

    I had better just post this now before I think about it even more.


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    If you had a couple of examples in which one sounds better than the other, perhaps I could see what you mean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Francois
    If you had a couple of examples in which one sounds better than the other, perhaps I could see what you mean.

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    Which one would I say? It's hard to tell. They both sound equally good to me. I can't say one form is better than the other.

    a little more context:

    Hey, it really looks like your business is doing very well.

    Yeah, we've really gotten it going. It did take some time though.



    Hey, it looks likes your business is doing very well.

    Yeah, we've really got it going now.



    Both sound good to me. I don't think one is better than the other. I would just consider what each grammatical form emphasizes more, and keep in mind that it's hard to tell all the time why a speaker will say one thing and not another thing when there is a choice.


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