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    Catenatives

    hi,
    i want to know the difference between catenatives and semi-auxilaries modals.

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    Re: Catenatives

    Try here Appendix:English catenative verbs - Wiktionary

    Note, dare (to) is considered a semi-modal auxiliary verb. Particularly in negative, the modal form is preferred.

    He didn't dare to climb the tree.
    He didn't dare climb the tree.

    Try here also http://www3.telus.net/linguisticsiss...nteaching.html
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    The following is from need (post #2)

    Need as a catenative with gerund:
    "The washing needs doing."
    This has passive meaning.

    Need as a catenative with to-infinitive:
    "You need to do the washing."
    This has active meaning.

    Need with an interrupted catenative:
    "You will need some help to do all that washing."
    This is used when ‘need’ has an object.

    Need as a semi-modal (with bare infinitive and doing what modals all love to do):
    Forming questions by inversion:
    "Need I do the washing right now?"
    (Compare the catenative with do-support:
    "Do I need to do the washing right now?")
    Form negatives by adding not and -n’t:
    "You needn’t do the washing right now."
    (Compare the catenative with do-support:
    "You don’t need to do the washing right now."
    Doesn’t have to inflect for the 3rd person singular:
    "I don’t think she need do it now."
    (Compare the non-modal version:
    "I don’t think she needs to do it now.")

    This semi-modal nature of ‘need’ is most apparent when it is used to form questions and negatives. Otherwise, ‘need’ doesn’t usually become semi-modal as the main verb of a sentence. In the last example above, ‘need’ is the main verb of a relative clause.
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    Re: Catenatives

    Soup, I'm curious to know how you define a 'modal verb'.

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    Re: Catenatives

    Quote Originally Posted by Clark View Post
    Soup, I'm curious to know how you define a 'modal verb'.
    It's a meaty topic, Clark. What specifically about modals would you like me to give my opinion on?

    modal verbs - Google Search

    Try here also Modals in English Language Teaching

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    Re: Catenatives

    Quote Originally Posted by Soup View Post
    It's a meaty topic, Clark. What specifically about modals would you like me to give my opinion on?

    modal verbs - Google Search

    Try here also Modals in English Language Teaching
    Thanks for the reference sites.
    I was just curious as to whether you use a formal or a semantic criterion to distinguish between a modal and a non-modal. Sometimes grammarians give a mixture of the two criteria, which leads to cofusion.

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    Re: Catenatives

    Quote Originally Posted by Clark View Post
    Thanks for the reference sites.
    I was just curious as to whether you use a formal or a semantic criterion to distinguish between a modal and a non-modal. Sometimes grammarians give a mixture of the two criteria, which leads to cofusion.
    No worries. I'm a descriptivist.

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