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    using a phrase as noun or article+noun

    Hi,

    The following paragraph is from a book.. I don’t understand why there is no ‘the’ before ‘Whig foreign policy’?
    If the author is treating the phrase as a noun, how does one decide? I mean if your are writing this sentence what would prompt you to use ‘Whig foreign policy’ instead of ‘The Whig foreign policy’?

    The Tory party, which had been in favor, now lost its dominance, and was replaced by the Whig party of noble landlords and merchant companies enjoying monopoly privileges from the government. Whig foreign policy was mercantilist and imperialist, with colonies sought and grabbed for the greater glory of the Crown, trading advantages, investments in raw material, and markets for shipping and exports.

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    Re: using a phrase as noun or article+noun

    I think you need 'the' here. The referential status of 'policy' is definite.

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    Re: using a phrase as noun or article+noun

    If I was writting it I would use the possesive:
    Whig's foreign policy was mercantilist and imperialist,.....

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    Re: using a phrase as noun or article+noun

    Quote Originally Posted by musicgold View Post
    Hi,

    The following paragraph is from a book.. I don’t understand why there is no ‘the’ before ‘Whig foreign policy’?
    If the author is treating the phrase as a noun, how does one decide? I mean if your are writing this sentence what would prompt you to use ‘Whig foreign policy’ instead of ‘The Whig foreign policy’?

    The Tory party, which had been in favor, now lost its dominance, and was replaced by the Whig party of noble landlords and merchant companies enjoying monopoly privileges from the government. Whig foreign policy was mercantilist and imperialist, with colonies sought and grabbed for the greater glory of the Crown, trading advantages, investments in raw material, and markets for shipping and exports.

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    MG.
    It is a general reference to a type of foreign policy - that applied by the Whig party. In this phrase "Whig" is adjectival.

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    Re: using a phrase as noun or article+noun

    Quote Originally Posted by Anglika View Post
    It is a general reference to a type of foreign policy - that applied by the Whig party. In this phrase "Whig" is adjectival.
    But doesn't 'policy' need a determiner?

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    Re: using a phrase as noun or article+noun

    Not necessarily. Tory policy is a general reference; the/a Tory policy is a specific reference to a specific policy.

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    Re: using a phrase as noun or article+noun

    Quote Originally Posted by Anglika View Post
    Not necessarily. Tory policy is a general reference; the/a Tory policy is a specific reference to a specific policy.
    I think there is such a reference. The policy pursued by the Whig party in that period of history.

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    Re: using a phrase as noun or article+noun

    Quote Originally Posted by Clark View Post
    I think there is such a reference. The policy pursued by the Whig party in that period of history.
    No, if you replace Whig with any other party such as Socialist party or Communist party or even Nazi party these are all adjectives when used in this way, like, Angry people, or Rabid dogs, or Spiritual organizations, etc. etc.

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    Re: using a phrase as noun or article+noun

    Quote Originally Posted by bhaisahab View Post
    No, if you replace Whig with any other party such as Socialist party or Communist party or even Nazi party these are all adjectives when used in this way, like, Angry people, or Rabid dogs, or Spiritual organizations, etc. etc.
    OK. Let's replace Whig by Government. (The) goverment foreign policy was mercantilist and imperialist ... . Do we need an article?

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    Re: using a phrase as noun or article+noun

    No.

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