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    You leap from one point to another, Cas. You said "the subject is (you)."

    Anyway, I cannot still accept your analysis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taka
    You leap from one point to another, Cas.
    Sorry for leaping. I'll take off my ballet shoes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Taka
    You said "the subject is (you)."
    Yes, that's correct, and in that context, the semantics accommodate (you) as the subject. 8)

    Quote Originally Posted by Taka
    Anyway, I still cannot accept your analysis.
    Which one? The first one or the second one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Casiopea
    Quote Originally Posted by Taka
    You said "the subject is (you)."
    Yes, that's correct, and in that context, the semantics accommodate (you) as the subject. 8)
    What? You suggested two restatements for the single original sentence:

    Quote Originally Posted by Casiopea
    Without (you) using a computer, people feel uneasy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Casiopea
    Without them using it, people feel uneasy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Casiopea
    Quote Originally Posted by Taka
    Anyway, I still cannot accept your analysis.
    Which one? The first one or the second one?
    Quite honestly, everything...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taka
    Quote Originally Posted by tdol
    'Access' works, but the original sentence doesn't- I'd use 'access'or 1.
    tdol, could you tell me why "using" in "Without using a computer, a lot of people nowadays feel uneasy..." doesn't work? The same reason as Francois's?
    It doesn't make sense to me- it suggests that people are ableto feel uneasy in ways other than by using a computer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tdol
    Quote Originally Posted by Taka
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    'Access' works, but the original sentence doesn't- I'd use 'access'or 1.
    tdol, could you tell me why "using" in "Without using a computer, a lot of people nowadays feel uneasy..." doesn't work? The same reason as Francois's?
    It doesn't make sense to me- it suggests that people are ableto feel uneasy in ways other than by using a computer.
    You mean "without using" sounds similar to "except for using"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taka
    What? You suggested two restatements for the single original sentence:
    Quote Originally Posted by Casiopea
    1. Without (you) using a computer, people feel uneasy. (Not OK)
    2. Without them using it, people feel uneasy. (Not OK)
    Really? Don't you see the same line of argument?

    In 1. the subjects '(you)' and 'people' are not coreferential, and in 2. the subjects 'them' and 'people' are still not coreferential, 'not coreferential' being the emphasis here. :wink:

    Whether we interpret the subject as (you) or 'them' or even 'their' doesn't matter. Coreferencing is a problem in that context. :wink:

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    Whether "you" or "them", I don't see any reason you put those two.

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    OK, let me put it this way. What about this sentence?

    Without using a computer, he feels uneasy, irritated, which are symptom of addiction.

    Does it make sense?

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    Not to me. I think Tdol and I are saying the same thing. Your sentence implies (to me) that there are potentially several ways he could feel uneasy, but in this case he didn't need to use a computer to get that feeling.

    He says that the coating is uneven without using it.
    It sounds like he doesn't need to use it to make it uneven....

    FRC

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    Isn't it possible to take "without" as "if not"?

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