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    "Innocent till proven guilty"

    Hello,

    I have always heard "innocent till proven guilty."
    But today I heard this on TV: "innocent till proved guilty"

    Is it correct to use "proved"?

    Thank you.

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    Re: "Innocent till proven guilty"

    The legal quote uses "proven."

    Sportscasters would probably use "proved"

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    Re: "Innocent till proven guilty"

    Thank you Susiedqq. I take it that it is correct to use both.

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    Re: "Innocent till proven guilty"

    Sorry - I was joking.

    use "proven"

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    Re: "Innocent till proven guilty"

    Sorry, your joke was lost on me (despite the wink), susiedqq.

    OK. Thanks. I naturally think of 'proven' because that is what I have always read/heard. But this man's comment got me thinking if "proved" is indeed wrong.

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    Re: "Innocent till proven guilty"

    Quote Originally Posted by Olympian View Post
    Sorry, your joke was lost on me (despite the wink), susiedqq.

    OK. Thanks. I naturally think of 'proven' because that is what I have always read/heard. But this man's comment got me thinking if "proved" is indeed wrong.
    Br E is more tolerant of 'proveD'.

    COCA ([Davies/BYU] The Corpus of Contemporary American English (COCA) ) has 293 hits for 'proven guilty' and 34 for 'proved guilty'.

    The hits in BNC (a much smaller sample - [Davies/BYU] BYU-BNC: British National Corpus ) are nearly even.

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    Re: "Innocent till proven guilty"

    Quote Originally Posted by BobK View Post
    Br E is more tolerant of 'proveD'.

    COCA ([Davies/BYU] The Corpus of Contemporary American English (COCA) ) has 293 hits for 'proven guilty' and 34 for 'proved guilty'.

    The hits in BNC (a much smaller sample - [Davies/BYU] BYU-BNC: British National Corpus ) are nearly even.

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    BobK, Thank you for this information, and for sharing this resource.

    I tried looking up "proven guilty" on COCA but I got a different result (206/14). I think it is because I don't know how to look up properly. I simply entered the words "proven guilty" and clicked the "search" button. Do I need to do anything else? I chose the default "List" radio button, and I did not choose anything else.
    Last edited by Olympian; 29-Aug-2008 at 00:09. Reason: Cleaned up the dictionary names that got inadvertently included in the posting after the spellcheker came up.

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    Re: "Innocent till proven guilty"

    When you specify two words verbatim, the search engine looks for just that pair with no intervening word/s - excluding expressions like 'proven him guilty' or 'proven the Englishman guilty'.

    On the initial search screen, click on Compare Words. Type proven" and "proved" into the two boxes, and "guilty" into the Context box.

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    PS don't make the mistake of regarding me as any kind of "COCA superuser"; I'm just a few weeks ahead of you in the process of trial and error".

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    Re: "Innocent till proven guilty"

    Quote Originally Posted by BobK View Post
    When you specify two words verbatim, the search engine looks for just that pair with no intervening word/s - excluding expressions like 'proven him guilty' or 'proven the Englishman guilty'.

    On the initial search screen, click on Compare Words. Type proven" and "proved" into the two boxes, and "guilty" into the Context box.

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    PS don't make the mistake of regarding me as any kind of "COCA superuser"; I'm just a few weeks ahead of you in the process of trial and error".

    BobK, thank you very much for teaching me how to do the search.

    You are very modest. OK, even if you are not a superuser, you are still an expert in my view.

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