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    Helen Keller: "It has often been noted that those who live, or have lived in the shadow of death bring a mellow sweetness to everything they do."

    What are the different connotations between "live and have lived" in this sentence?


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    Re: live and have lived

    Quote Originally Posted by redgiant View Post
    Helen Keller: "It has often been noted that those who live, or have lived in the shadow of death bring a mellow sweetness to everything they do."

    What are the different connotations between "live and have lived" in this sentence?
    Those that live in the shadow of death - They are seriously ill or have a chronic and terminal illness. A current and ongoing situation.

    Those that have lived in the shadow of death - They have been so ill that they nearly died, but have survived and are still living.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Anglika View Post
    Those that live in the shadow of death - They are seriously ill or have a chronic and terminal illness. A current and ongoing situation.

    Those that have lived in the shadow of death - They have been so ill that they nearly died, but have survived and are still living.
    Thanks teacher~. But one more question
    I still don't know how "have+lived in the shadow" can add the extra meaning of "nearly died and have survived the crisis" compared to "live in the shadow".

    It seems the present perfect tense here not only implies time, but also degree, level, which is hard to understand. Thanks.


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    pls help

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    Re: live and have lived

    Quote Originally Posted by redgiant View Post
    Thanks teacher~. But one more question
    I still don't know how "have+lived in the shadow" can add the extra meaning of "nearly died and have survived the crisis" compared to "live in the shadow".

    It seems the present perfect tense here not only implies time, but also degree, level, which is hard to understand. Thanks.
    There's no implication of a difference in severity.
    Some people live under the threat of imminent death.
    Some people have lived under the threat of imminent death, but the threat has now passed.

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