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    They went to arrest him in the murders of his former wife, Nicole Brown Simpson, and her friend Ronald Goldman.

    hi,
    is the preposition "in" correct here, please? shouldn't it be "for"?
    thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jctgf View Post
    They went to arrest him in the murders of his former wife, Nicole Brown Simpson, and her friend Ronald Goldman.

    hi,
    is the preposition "in" correct here, please? shouldn't it be "for"?
    thanks.
    It should be for.

    For
    can be used to show reason. As is characteristic of prepositions, it is showing a relationship between a noun phrase (the murders) and a verb (arrest).

    A) For what reason was he arrested?

    B) The murders (of his former wife...).

    It could read:

    They went to arrest him in connection with the murders of his former wife, Nicole Brown Simpson, and her friend Ronald Goldman.

    But the meaning is different: it suggests that he wasn't arrested because the police knew he murdered his wife etc, but because they suspected he was in some way involved.

    I am not a teacher.
    Last edited by colloquium; 05-Oct-2008 at 15:55.

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    Thanks. I found this piece of text on a today's newspaper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jctgf View Post
    Thanks. I found this piece of text on a today's newspaper.
    As we're on the subject of prepositions, I must also correct you here. Articles, stories, pictures, and everything else newspapers offer are in the paper.

    I saw a great picture in the newspaper.

    I read a really interesting article in the newspaper.

    Everything in that newspaper is complete and utter rubbish!


    However I can see why you'd natually choose on; It makes just as much sense as in, as the words and pictures are printed on the page: nonetheless, we use in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by colloquium View Post
    As we're on the subject of prepositions, I must also correct you here. Articles, stories, pictures, and everything else newspapers offer are in the paper.

    I saw a great picture in the newspaper.

    I read a really interesting article in the newspaper.

    Everything in that newspaper is complete and utter rubbish!


    However I can see why you'd naturally choose on; It makes just as much sense as in, as the words and pictures are printed on the page: nonetheless, we use in.
    Hi,
    I really thought it was "on" because it's printed on a 2D object, that is, a leaf of paper. I have a hard time trying to pick up the right preposition when the matter is a medium of communication.
    Thanks again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jctgf View Post
    Hi,
    I really thought it was "on" because it's printed on a 2D object, that is, a leaf of paper. I have a hard time trying to pick up the right preposition when the matter is a medium of communication.
    Thanks again.
    It is difficult. Prepositons aren't easy to learn.

    I suppose when we speak of things which are on the newspaper, we speak of the newspaper as a whole (as an object).

    The cat sat on the newspaper.

    The story is in the newspaper.


    Your sentence

    I found this piece of text on a today's newspaper.

    could (without any context to guide the reader) be taken to mean

    I found this piece of writing (on a seperate sheet of paper) on top of today's newspaper.

    Meaning that the text (on whatever it was printed) was placed on/situated on the newspaper itself (in the same way as a cat would be).


    However that is just my interpetation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by colloquium View Post
    It is difficult. Prepositons aren't easy to learn.

    I suppose when we speak of things which are on the newspaper, we speak of the newspaper as a whole (as an object).

    The cat sat on the newspaper.

    The story is in the newspaper.

    Your sentence

    I found this piece of text on a today's newspaper.

    could (without any context to guide the reader) be taken to mean

    I found this piece of writing (on a seperate sheet of paper) on top of today's newspaper.

    Meaning that the text (on whatever it was printed) was placed on/situated on the newspaper itself (in the same way as a cat would be).

    However that is just my interpetation.
    If you people are talking about prepositions, I have one doubt too. Paste the wool on the picture given or in the picture given. Which preposition should we use here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roselin View Post
    If you people are talking about prepositions, I have one doubt too. Paste the wool on the picture given or in the picture given. Which preposition should we use here?
    hi,
    I think the right way is "in the picture" yet the the picture is a 2d object. it seems to me that prepositions don't follow a logical line of thought and seldomly obey any kind of rule (unfortunately).
    regards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roselin View Post
    If you people are talking about prepositions, I have one doubt too. Paste the wool on the picture given or in the picture given. Which preposition should we use here?
    On should be used.

    However (in case you are unaware)


    • Paste the wool on the picture given


    is not a correct sentence.

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    hi,
    what does "paste the wool on the picture" mean, please?
    thanks.

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