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    Default I have seen your father before I come here.

    I have seen your father before I come here.

    Is this sentence correct? If not, how would you express the idea?

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    Default Re: I have seen your father before I come here.

    Without context:

    Past action:
    I had seen your father before I came here
    I have seen your father before I came here
    I saw your father before I came here.

    Future action:
    I will see your father before I come.

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    Default Re: I have seen your father before I come here.

    Hi, Anglika.

    Isn't this strange?

    I have seen your father before I came here.

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    Unhappy Re: I have seen your father before I come here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Trex View Post
    Hi, Anglika.

    Isn't this strange?

    I have seen your father before I came here.
    With all due respect to Anglika, this is not right to write or speak like that.

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    Default Re: I have seen your father before I come here.

    It is a possible way:

    A What do you think you are doing? My father wants it done the other way!
    B I have seen your father before I came here. He was quite happy with what I am doing.

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    Default Re: I have seen your father before I come here.

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    In that sentence, the present perfect ("have seen") sounds wrong/unnatural to me, too -- even with the added context.

    The past perfect ("had seen") is possible, but I don't think it's necessary. For me, the past simple does the trick quite nicely:

    - I saw your father before I came here.
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    Default Re: I have seen your father before I come here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Trex View Post
    Hi, Anglika.

    Isn't this strange?

    I have seen your father before I came here.
    As Anglika said, you could use various tenses to denote past action, but that doesn't mean you can always use any of them. The appropriate choice will depend on the context. If the sequence events is just I saw and then I came the appropriate choice would be 'I saw your father before I came here'.

    Incidentally, I don't think you meant 'Isn't this strange?' (="I believe this is strange. Do you agree?"). Perhaps you meant 'Is this all right?'



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    Default Re: I have seen your father before I come here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Anglika View Post
    It is a possible way:

    I have seen your father before I came here.
    With context or not, the use of "I have seen" with "before I came here" seems very odd to me.

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    Default Re: I have seen your father before I come here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Philly View Post
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    In that sentence, the present perfect ("have seen") sounds wrong/unnatural to me, too -- even with the added context.

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    It would sound unnatural to me too, without punctuation. But in the context that Anglika gave, it would sound perfectly OK to me if there were a pause after the first verb: 'I have seen your father - [I saw him] before I came here.' The pause allows the hearer to supply an implied simple past.

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    Smile Re: I have seen your father before I come here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Philly View Post
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    The past perfect ("had seen") is possible, but I don't think it's necessary. For me, the past simple does the trick quite nicely:

    - I saw your father before I came here.
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    Especially the conjunction before does the trick quite nicely, because now it's obvious what the sequence of events was - first, I saw your father, then, I came here. The use of the past perfect tense would make the seeing of your father seen more distant in time before the coming here.


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