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    Please read Jlinger's post (#20) carefully. It is a good one and should be useful.

    Quote Originally Posted by thru View Post
    Hi RonBee,

    Thanks very much for your reply.

    1.Could you please explain why we can't use 'for good' in the sentences
    'I'll remember that day forever' and 'I'll love you forever'?
    They don't mean the same thing. If you do something "for good" it's over and done with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thru View Post
    2.'This time she’s leaving for good.'
    Can I say
    This time she's leaving forever.
    or
    This time she will leave forever.
    or
    This time she will always leave.
    or
    This time she's always leaving.
    If somebody is leaving for good she is leaving and she has no plans to come back. She is not leaving over and over and over. She is not leaving indefinitely. She is not leaving with the intention of keeping it going for all time. She is leaving once. Period. She might change her mind and come back, but you should not expect her to do so. Her intention is to never come back.



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    Jlinger handled this one well, but I will make a couple of additional comments.

    Quote Originally Posted by thru View Post

    3.'I'm moving to Europe for good.'
    Can I say
    I'm moving to Europe forever.
    or
    I will move to Europe forever.
    or
    I will always move to Europe.
    or
    I'm always moving to Eruope.
    I it is not the moving that is supposed to last indefinitely. It is the staying that is supposed to last indefinitely. So, no, you can't move to Europe forever. (The others are even less probable.)

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    4.The injury may keep him out of football for good.
    Is it because 'always' means over and over again, so I can't use 'always' here?
    Yes. (You could perhaps say that the injury will continuously keep him out of football, but nobody ever says that. It would be better to say that because of the injury he will no longer be able to play football.)

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    5.When her son went to fight in the war, his mother felt she'd say goodbye to him forever.
    Can I use 'for good' instead of 'forever' here?
    No. Try:
    His mother felt like she was saying goodbye to him for the last time.
    (You can't come up with one phrase that fits all situations.)




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    Quote Originally Posted by thru View Post
    6.I wanted that moment to last forever.
    Can I say these instead:

    I wanted that moment to always last.
    or
    I wanted that moment to last for good.
    I think that changing the position of "always" changes its meaning. (Do you want the moment to keep doing what it is doing or do you want it to continue indefinitely?) However, you could say:
    I wanted the moment to last always.
    That is, I think, a poetic rendering of the more usual statement.

    Quote Originally Posted by thru View Post
    7.Many valuable works of art were lost forever.
    Can I use for good instead:

    Many valuable works of art were lost for good.
    Remember that "for good" has two possible meanings. If you think it is a good thing that the artworks were lost then say that they were lost for good.

    Perhaps you could critique the rest of them?




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    Quote Originally Posted by jlinger View Post
    Try replacing "forever" with "for once and for all" in your sentences. If it works, then you can use "for good."
    Hi jlinger,
    Thank you very much for your post. You said "Try replacing "forever" with "for once and for all" in your sentences. If it works, then you can use "for good."
    Do you mean 'for good' mean exactly the same as 'for once and for all'?

    Hi RonBee,
    Thank you very much for answering most of my questions. After your explanaton, I'm afraid I still need some help.

    1)"This time she's leaving for good."
    Can I use 'forever' instead of 'for good' here? Could you tell me why if not?

    2)"I'm moving to Europe forever."
    I'm confused why 'forever' doesn't work here? Could you tell me the meaning of the sentence?

    3)"When her son went to fight in the war, his mother felt she'd say goodbye to him for good."
    I'm coufused why 'for good' is wrong here. Doesn't it mean saying goodbye once and it is over?

    4)"I wanted that moment to always last."
    Doen't 'always' mean 'forever' in the case? Could you tell me its meaning here?

    5)"I wanted that moment to last for good."
    Does 'for good' fit here?

    6)"Remember that "for good" has two possible meanings"
    Could you tell me what the possible meanings you refered to are?

    7)"If you think it is a good thing that the artworks were lost then say that they were lost for good."
    Do you mean if it's a bad thing, don't use 'for good' in "Many valuable works of art were lost forever"?
    But you said 'The phrase "for good" (somewhat ironically) is usually used in the negative sense (when it is not being used in the sense of "for good purposes"), why can't 'for good' be used here?

    8)"After her death, their lives changed forever."
    I think 'for good' is fine here.
    Could you tell me if I'm right or wrong?

    9)"I like the house but I don't imagine I'll live there forever."
    I think 'always' is fine and 'for good' isn't here? Is it true?

    10)"Nobody lives forever."
    Is 'always' fine here?
    Is it correct that 'for good' doesn't work here?

    11)'We thought she'd come over for a visit, but it seems she's staying for good.'
    Does 'for good' sound ironic and mean a bad thing in the case?
    Can I use 'forever' or 'always' instead of 'for good' here?

    Thank you very much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thru View Post
    1)"This time she's leaving for good."
    Can I use 'forever' instead of 'for good' here? Could you tell me why if not?
    This time she's leaving for good = This time she's leaving once and for all (She's not coming back)
    If "forever" meant "once and for all" it would make sense there.

    Quote Originally Posted by thru View Post
    2)"I'm moving to Europe forever."
    I'm confused why 'forever' doesn't work here? Could you tell me the meaning of the sentence?
    If "forever" meant "once and for all" it would make sense there.



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    Quote Originally Posted by RonBee View Post
    She is not leaving over and over and over. She is not leaving indefinitely. She is not leaving with the intention of keeping it going for all time.

    Hi RonBee,

    Do you mean If I use 'forever' in 'She is leaving forever', it means she is leaving indefinitely; she is leaving with the intention of keeping it going for all time in the future?

    Can 'forever' mean 'once and for all' sometimes or it doesn't mean that at all?

    Thank you very much for your reply.

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    for⋅ev⋅er/fɔrˈɛvər, fər-/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [fawr-ev-er, fer-] Show IPA Pronunciation

    –adverb
    1.without ever ending; eternally: to last forever.
    2.continually; incessantly; always: He's forever complaining.
    forever definition | Dictionary.com


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    Quote Originally Posted by banderas View Post
    Can I use forever, instead of always, for repeated actions like: he is forever losing his keys?
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    for⋅ev⋅er/fɔrˈɛvər, fər-/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [fawr-ev-er, fer-] Show IPA Pronunciation

    –adverb
    1.without ever ending; eternally: to last forever.
    2.continually; incessantly; always: He's forever complaining.
    forever definition | Dictionary.com

    I asked the above questions before and the answer was:"No".So does the dictionary get it wrong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by banderas View Post
    I asked the above questions before and the answer was:"No".So does the dictionary get it wrong?
    I don't agree with that usage. (I would say: "He is always losing his keys.") But Dictionary.com disagrees with me. So there you are. According to Dictionary.com it is okay to say "He is forever losing his keys". You decide who you want to agree with.

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