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    Default Do you pronounce a word 'listen' as /ˈlɪstən/?

    Hallo.
    I'm a little anxious since I've never written something like this forum before.

    I'm now researching the /t/sound in the word 'often'.
    These words like often, soften, listen, glisten, lost middle consonants in the respective words (that is, t-sound) round 16th century.

    In recent years, however, we can hear both pronunciation /ˈɒftən/ and /ˈɒfən/ on the word 'often'.
    I read books and found that it's a cause of 'spelling pronunciation'.
    But, at the same time, I had a question 'didn't then people try to pronounce t-sound in 'listen' in the same way?'

    So I'd like your voice about a way of pronunciation 'listen'.
    If you're possible, I'd like to know how you pronounce these words;
    --often, soften, christen, hasten. (with or without /t/?)
    Please write a country you live now and your age (e.g. 40 if you're 45.), too.
    I'm also happy if you write voices surrounding you.

    I look forward to hearing many opinions, though it's been a tedious style
    Last edited by zwerg; 15-Nov-2008 at 10:59. Reason: correction of the statement

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    Default Re: Do you pronounce a word 'listen' as /ˈlɪstən/?

    listen - [lisn]
    often - [`ɔfn] or [`ɔftn]
    soften - [s`ɔfn]
    christen - [`krisn]
    hasten - [`heisn]

    All words without 'T'.

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    Default Re: Do you pronounce a word 'listen' as /ˈlɪstən/?

    All of them are pronounced without the "t" sound. For example, listen is pronounced liss-en.





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    All without a /t/. Male, Australian, middle-aged.
    All without a /t/. Female, Australian, middle-aged.
    All without a /t/. Male, Australian, 20-30.

    ɒfən heɪsən etc.

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    Default Re: Do you pronounce a word 'listen' as /ˈlɪstən/?

    Dear Zwerg:

    All without the /t/ sound:

    Female/US/middle age
    Male/US/middle age
    Female/US/teen
    Male/US/teen

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    Default Re: Do you pronounce a word 'listen' as /ˈlɪstən/?

    I actually use more the "t" sound since it is formal English, and not only with "often", "listen" and "soften", but also with "international" and "twenty", "thirty" and so on.

    If you notice, people tend to ask twice when they do not understand others more often; that's because the omission of letters tend to get people confused whilst listening.

    Regards,
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    Default Re: Do you pronounce a word 'listen' as /ˈlɪstən/?

    Quote Originally Posted by qtnet View Post
    I actually use more the "t" sound since it is formal English, and not only with "often", "listen" and "soften", but also with "international" and "twenty", "thirty" and so on.
    This wouldn't be such a worry if your weren't an English teacher. Maybe you should check the pronunciation of these words in a dictionary.
    Listen, soften don't have a /t/ in them in any dialect I know of.
    There is one /t/ in international and thirty, and 2 in twenty.
    I'm not sure what you mean by /t/ being formal English in listen, for example.
    Check here:
    soften - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary
    listen - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary

    Do you really say /lIstən/in front on your students?

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    Default Re: Do you pronounce a word 'listen' as /ˈlɪstən/?

    Quote Originally Posted by zwerg View Post
    Hallo.
    I'm a little anxious since I've never written something like this forum before.

    I'm now researching the /t/sound in the word 'often'.
    These words like often, soften, listen, glisten, lost middle consonants in the respective words (that is, t-sound) round 16th century.

    In recent years, however, we can hear both pronunciation /ˈɒftən/ and /ˈɒfən/ on the word 'often'.
    I read books and found that it's a cause of 'spelling pronunciation'.
    But, at the same time, I had a question 'didn't then people try to pronounce t-sound in 'listen' in the same way?'

    So I'd like your voice about a way of pronunciation 'listen'.
    If you're possible, I'd like to know how you pronounce these words;
    --often, soften, christen, hasten. (with or without /t/?)
    Please write a country you live now and your age (e.g. 40 if you're 45.), too.
    I'm also happy if you write voices surrounding you.

    I look forward to hearing many opinions, though it's been a tedious style
    Female / British / living in Spain / 40

    Often - I use both ofTen and offen
    Soften - soffen
    Christen - Chrissen
    Hasten - Hayssen
    Listen - Lissen

    As another responder said, as far as I'm aware neither listen nor soften have ever been pronounced with a sounded T.

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    Default Re: Do you pronounce a word 'listen' as /ˈlɪstən/?

    Quote Originally Posted by qtnet View Post
    I actually use more the "t" sound since it is formal English, and not only with "often", "listen" and "soften", but also with "international" and "twenty", "thirty" and so on.

    If you notice, people tend to ask twice when they do not understand others more often; that's because the omission of letters tend to get people confused whilst listening.

    Regards,
    Antonio
    It isn't so much "formal English" as what linguists call "spelling pronunciation" - the influence of spellings which may be archaic or idiosyncratic on the spoken language. As such they are not formal or standard, though in some cases they get acceptance in the standard spoken language. The variant pronunciation of "often" (with /t/) is such an example, and there are many others which are now so completely accepted that they go unnoticed.

    But "listen" with /t/ - never, as far as I know.

    (British, male, 49)

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    Default Re: Do you pronounce a word 'listen' as /ˈlɪstən/?

    Quote Originally Posted by orangutan View Post
    It isn't so much "formal English" as what linguists call "spelling pronunciation" - the influence of spellings which may be archaic or idiosyncratic on the spoken language. As such they are not formal or standard, though in some cases they get acceptance in the standard spoken language. The variant pronunciation of "often" (with /t/) is such an example, and there are many others which are now so completely accepted that they go unnoticed.

    But "listen" with /t/ - never, as far as I know.

    (British, male, 49)
    An excellent post.

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