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    Default commas in a sentence

    Hello everyone

    I'd like to ask if I need commas in the following sentence:

    In modern conditions, under which mass media operate, in particular when covering public events, this regulation cannot be observed, which leads to unfair and venal suits.


    I think I need a comma before "in particular" and before which, but I'm not sure concerning commas before "under" and "this".

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    Default Re: commas in a sentence

    In modern conditions, under which mass media operate, in particular when covering public events, this regulation cannot be observed, which leads to unfair and venal suits.

    You don't need a comma after "conditions." The others are required.

    You can think of commas in this instance as very strong parentheses.

    In modern conditions under which mass media operate (in particular when covering public events) this regulation cannot be observed (which leads to unfair and venal suits).

    You can delete the parenthetical remarks and the sentence still makes sense and is true to your original meaning. The parenthetical items simply further explain. They could have been pulled out entirely and then stated in a subsequent sentence.

    In modern conditions under which mass media operate this regulation cannot be observed. This leads to unfair and venal suits, especially when covering public events.

    You couldn't have parenthesized the "under which mass media operate" as it is too essential to the meaning of modern conditions. The whole phrase, "in modern conditions under which mass media operate" is integral to this sentence.

    However, all that said, the lowly comma is also used simply to insert a pause, a breath, to add emphasis to what follows or to clarify. Therefore, there was nothing really wrong with the comma after "conditions." It was simply unnecessary and in fact did not help clarify the meaning.

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    Default Re: commas in a sentence

    Quote Originally Posted by jlinger View Post
    In modern conditions, under which mass media operate, in particular when covering public events, this regulation cannot be observed, which leads to unfair and venal suits.

    You don't need a comma after "conditions." The others are required.

    You can think of commas in this instance as very strong parentheses.

    In modern conditions under which mass media operate (in particular when covering public events) this regulation cannot be observed (which leads to unfair and venal suits).

    You can delete the parenthetical remarks and the sentence still makes sense and is true to your original meaning. The parenthetical items simply further explain. They could have been pulled out entirely and then stated in a subsequent sentence.

    You couldn't have parenthesized the "under which mass media operate" as it is too essential to the meaning of modern conditions. The whole phrase, "in modern conditions under which mass media operate" is integral to this sentence.
    Thank you very much, jlinger.

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    Default Re: commas in a sentence

    You do not need one before "under", but do need one before "in particular".


    In the conditionsunder which [the] mass media operate today, in particular when covering public events, this regulation cannot be observed, which leads to unfair and venal suits.

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    Default Re: commas in a sentence

    Hurrah! We agreed!

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    Default Re: commas in a sentence

    Quote Originally Posted by Anglika View Post
    You do not need one before "under", but do need one before "in particular".


    In the conditionsunder which [the] mass media operate today, in particular when covering public events, this regulation cannot be observed, which leads to unfair and venal suits.
    Thank you very much, Anglika.

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