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    Since + Past Tense / Present Perfect Tense

    I have been working with my friend since I came to this town

    I have been working with my friend since I have come to this town


    What's the difference ?

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    Re: Since + Past Tense / Present Perfect Tense

    There isn't any. I would say the first is better: the non-simple tenses should not be used unless the meaning really requires it. Here, the present-perfect aspect is carried by the main verb. You came at a certain moment in time in the past, right? There seems no reason to emphasize the completed state of your arrival.

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    Re: Since + Past Tense / Present Perfect Tense

    This is the most delicious food I ..... since I ..... in this town.

    A)have eaten\have been

    C)have eaten\was

    Correct answer is A.

    Why not C ?

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    Re: Since + Past Tense / Present Perfect Tense

    Because you come once, but you continue to be.

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    Re: Since + Past Tense / Present Perfect Tense

    That was too short, I think. Sorry.

    The thing is this. The present perfect denotes the completed state as of now.

    Simple: plain time.
    Perfect: completion.
    Continuous: duration during an interval.
    Perfect continuous: duration during an interval up to the moment (present, future, or past).


    I came: at some moment in the past, I happened to arrive.
    I have come: My arrival IS NOW complete. (Therefore, my arrival was in the past.)
    I am coming: I am in the middle of the process of arriving.
    I have been coming: The process of my arrival has continued to happen, and is complete up to the stage I am expected to be now, but I may continue this process further.

    Now: "To be" as in "to exist" is something that inherently takes place not just at an instant, but for an interval of time.

    Therefore: Since I have been here = I came yesterday, and am talking about the interval from yesterday to today.

    Since I was here: means that I was here at some moment in the past, but not necessarily here all the time since then.

    Eg. Since I was here last time, I have been working. But I have not been here the whole time.

    Since I have been here, I have been working. I have been here the whole time.

    Since I came here: since the moment that I arrived. Is that enough for that sentence above? I think so.

    Since I have come here: During the interval since my arrival. Is it correct? YES. But you say: I have been working with my friend. This by itself marks the interval, and so the present perfect is not strictly necessary.

    I hope I have made sense.

    PS. Because "since" can also mean "because", it may be better to replace "since" by "ever since" in all of the above sentences if the since-clause is at the front of the sentence. If you put the since-clause after the main one, the meaning "because" is made irrelevant by the main clause, and so "ever" is not at all necessary.

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    Re: Since + Past Tense / Present Perfect Tense

    Quote Originally Posted by Volcano1985 View Post
    This is the most delicious food I ..... since I ..... in this town.

    A)have eaten\have been

    C)have eaten\was

    Correct answer is A.

    Why not C ?
    If you use C. it means that you are no longer in 'this town', wherever that is.

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    Re: Since + Past Tense / Present Perfect Tense

    Quote Originally Posted by bhaisahab View Post
    If you use C. it means that you are no longer in 'this town', wherever that is.
    Yes, I think so too, and this is the difference

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    Re: Since + Past Tense / Present Perfect Tense

    Like the multiple choice question, should the correct sentence in the first post be 'I have been working with my friend since I have come to this town'?

    Thanks,
    Kirru

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    Re: Since + Past Tense / Present Perfect Tense

    Quote Originally Posted by kiranlegend View Post
    Like the multiple choice question, should the correct sentence in the first post be 'I have been working with my friend since I have come to this town'?

    Thanks,
    Kirru
    No, 'I have been working with my friend since I came to this town'.

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