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    Default relative clause, in which, of which, with which

    Hello, I have some questions regarding sentences with in which, in whom, of which, of whom, with which, with whom, etc.

    Eg. In which it is proved that one does not always think of everything.

    Eg. The way it works is that the judge has a computer-generated list from which he calls the first twelve citizens from the venire, and they take seats in the jury box.

    Eg. The second method is the preemptory challenge, of which each attorney is given a limited supply, depending on the type of the case and charges.

    when do I use in, of, or with?? Can someone plz elaborate on this topic? Thank you.

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    Default Re: relative clause, in which, of which, with which

    Think about what those relative clauses are referring to....
    and that should tell you which preposition you will need/ it collocates with.

    i,e; a) I gather youre talking about an experiment or research.
    So you could prove something IN an experiment..

    b) its a list. So you will call people FROM that list

    c) you wll be given a supply/amount OF someting

    Try...

    The cup, ____ which I drank, was chipped.

    The room, ___ which I lived, has been rented out.

    think about it like this;

    The cup, which I drank ____, was chipped.

    The room, which I lived ____, has been rented out

    its the same

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    Default Re: relative clause, in which, of which, with which

    thanks for the reply. I still have problems discerning which verb is the proposition related to.

    eg. Elliot did not return calls for comment for this story and has avoided speaking to the media, except for one press conference after his arrest, in which he vehemently denied involvement in the murders and mourned the loss of his wife.

    in the example above, which verb should pair with the proposition "in"? And why the relative clause "in which" does not follow directly after the word conference, since it's what the relative clause refers to? (I thought there is a rule that the relative clause has to follow the object it's refering to)

    thanks.

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    Default Re: relative clause, in which, of which, with which

    Hello,
    Note not a teacher,
    In the example above, which verb should pair with the proposition "in"?
    It doesn't have to be a verb, as you noticed :
    the word conference, since it's what the relative clause refers to?
    Elliot did not return calls for comment for this story and has avoided speaking to the media, except for one press conference after his arrest, in which he vehemently denied involvement in the murders and mourned the loss of his wife.

    The underline fragment is, as you probably know, adverb of time and the italic one is relative clause. Now if you compare the amount of information in each you easily notice that the relative clause is longer.
    Check for the end-weight rule.

    Cheers.
    Last edited by Jaskin; 19-Feb-2009 at 09:16.

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    Default Re: relative clause, in which, of which, with which

    ...except for one press conference after his arrest, in which he vehemently denied involvement in the murders and mourned the loss of his wife.

    in the example above, which verb should pair with the proposition "in"?


    The preposition does not refer to a verb. Firstly, 'which' is a relative pronoun and refers back to the 'press conference' - a 'press conference...at which he (said he was innocent)." He attended this conference in person, and 'at' expresses the idea of location, as in 'he learnt it at school', 'you'll find him at the Red Lion pub." 'he gave a lecture at the university'
    If he had released a written statement to the press, then it would be..."in which ( he protested his innocence) since these words would be contained in the statement.
    Last edited by David L.; 19-Feb-2009 at 08:32.

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    Default Re: relative clause, in which, of which, with which

    The paragraph that I posted as example was copied directly from The Brass Verdict, by Micheal Connelly, 2008.

    Well, from my experience, I think it's acceptable to in the press conference.

    eg, Obama forceful and angrier in first press conference as president
    Barack Obama forceful in first press conference as president | World news | guardian.co.uk

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    Default Re: relative clause, in which, of which, with which

    eg, Obama forceful and angrier in first press conference as president
    Barack Obama forceful in first press conference as president | World news | guardian.co.uk
    This is 'media speak'. Which is habitually economic, and not always correct, in its use of language.

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    Default Re: relative clause, in which, of which, with which

    leungss:Well, from my experience, I think it's acceptable to in the press conference.

    Then learn media speak instead of posting here, asking us to help with grammatically clear English!

    You are referring to two different things:
    what someone said 'at' a press conference
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    how Obama presented himself as forceful and angrier (in his deameanour) in the press conferencce
    Last edited by David L.; 19-Feb-2009 at 13:55.

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    Default Re: relative clause, in which, of which, with which

    Quote Originally Posted by David L. View Post
    leungss:Well, from my experience, I think it's acceptable to in the press conference.

    Then learn media speak instead of posting here, asking us to help with grammatically clear English!

    You are referring to two different things:
    what someone said 'at' a press conference
    and
    how Obama presented himself as forceful and angrier (in his deameanour) in the press conferencce

    thanks for the reply. Didn't mean to be rude, I just meant I had seen such expression in novels, newspaper, etc. good day to you.

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