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    Are these correct?
    1. A good result can be gotten at around 190 cd/mē of luminance. (How come I can use 'gotten' here? Isn't gotten for past participles?)
    2. A good result can be got at around 190 cd/mē of luminance. (How come it doesn't sound right with 'got' ?)

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    As a British speaker, 'got' sounds fine to me- we don't use 'gotten'.

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    Ooops! I nearly forgot- they are past participles here- it's a passive construction.

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    Or is it becase 'gotten' is an irregular verb?

    Like this:
    1. This can be seen.
    2. This can be saw. (If this incorrect, why? How come 'got' is correct for the post above?)

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    It seems to me that gotten is the way to go. As tdol says, it is a passive construction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jack
    Or is it becase 'gotten' is an irregular verb?

    Like this:
    1. This can be seen.
    2. This can be saw. (If this incorrect, why? How come 'got' is correct for the post above?)

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    get, got, gotten
    see, saw, seen

    This can be gotten. . . (i.e., can be had, be gained)
    This can be seen. . .

    Note that, BE + Past Participle = Passive Voice. For example,

    hit, hit, hit: The car was hit.

    walk, walked, walked: The dog was walked. Should the dog be walked?

    Sentence 2. is incorrect. 'saw' should be 'seen', and 'got' should be 'gotten'.

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