The truth is, I cannot think straight in the just-before-bed period, which, in my case, extends back to the just-out-of-bed-in-the-morning period.
The test on pv's in quotes above I carried out earlier is nonsense. It does not help at all to decide the lie of the land. However, that does not change my stance on the question.
Pv's are a real minefield.
Let us go back to sleep.
Last edited by svartnik; 07-May-2009 at 23:53.
If "talk into" is a pv, then who said that this is goes along with the Collins pv definition; that is, prep. verbs belong in pv category too.
into = prep
action = object of prep
Before someone starts challenging the "talk into" not being a phrasal verb here is a proof.
Cambridge Dictionaries Online - Cambridge University Press
Im after the principal identification of the word that goes right after the prepositional part of a phrasal verb unless it is a prepositional phrase.
I talked him into the action. It seems like an object complement.
Can anyone confirm or refute that?
I said "talk into" belong to that pv set of which prep verbs are also members (Collins pv def.)
"talk into" is a prep verb, and prep verbs is a subset of pv's according to some grammarians.
I hope you get me.
However, let us take this view (CGEL):
into is a preposition, right?
A pv is a verb plus adverbial particle
What is talk into?
I = S
talked into = prep verb
him -- receiver of the action ---> object of the verb "talk into"
the action -- it is not an object complement,; "the action" does not hinge on"him"
the action = object of the verb preposition; it gives further info about the verb so it modifies it
in my country we have such a saying: two lawyers have three different opinions
you also get to take a look at a whole sentence structure and decide upon adverbial - if you do regard into as a preposition, in this context it is a prepositional phrase thus modifier (into an action), talk then will be a transitive verb with an implied object
anyway, its time for me to have been in a bed
talk into as phrasal verb is to persuade or convince someone to do sth.