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    Quote Originally Posted by Tdol View Post
    In British English you can move/move house/move home or move into a new house/home.
    Thanks. -definitely foreign to US English.

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    Hey Svartnik: you can say moved houses, but that would imply that Jane drove a truck with houses on it, from one place to another. They do that in the US!

    Susan's sister helped her. Who helped whom? The pronoun her refers presumably to Susan. But Susan is not mentioned in this sentence: there is only the determiner Susan's. Since when did pronouns take the place of determiners?

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    Hello Pedro,


    The sentence you picked out sits in a linguistic context.

    Jane moved house. Susan's sister helped her.

    The reference of "her" is intersentential. "her" refers back to "Jane" in the first sentence. Do not only examine the second sentence. The two sentences cohere.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pedroski View Post
    Since when did pronouns take the place of determiners?
    Susan's sister -- let us call her Ann.

    Jane moved house. Ann helped her. -- Ann = Susan's sister, not just a sister but Susan's sister.

    Pedro, you overcomplicate things, do you not think?

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    Pedroski;480316]Ok, I see I have been unclear again!
    Sentences1) Jane moved house.
    Sentence 2) Susan's sister helped her.
    I take "her" in 2) to be a pronoun representing Jane in sentence 1).
    Right, because there's no other option. The pronoun her cannot refer back to sister, as that noun is (hidden/protected) inside another phrase, Susan's sister, the head of which, Susan's, is a possessive and so incompatible with the object her. The only possible referent for her is a nominal outside the sentence, which makes it Jane.

    The sentence is not ambiguous. Thinking too much about it only makes it so.

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    Do you have any idea why we can say:

    We Americans are strange. But not: They Americans are strange.

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    Both are nominative pronouns jumping word class.

    You could write: We, the Americans..... or They, the Americans....
    Seems to me that the They only makes sense in a discourse where two or more things have been mentioned, one being Americans.

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    Default Re: young lady needs help

    Quote Originally Posted by Tdol View Post
    In British English you can move/move house/move home or move into a new house/home.
    Correct, and of these 'move house' is actually the most commonly used!

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