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    SSR or SOR trigger verb

    hi there again
    waiting for the answer on my first problem, i found another one
    i have a list of questions for my exam tomorow, and i will put two of them, maybe you can help.....i didn't find the definition anywhere..

    Which of the following verbs is a SSR trigger:
    to conclude
    to imagine
    to continue
    to attest

    and the second is

    Which of the following verbs is a SOR trigger:
    to grow
    to stay
    to beg
    to commence

    thank you

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    Re: SSR or SOR trigger verb

    Buna ziua!

    I assume we are talking here about "Subject to Subject Raising" and "Subject to Object Raising". I am not sure that I should give you a direct answer to an exam question, but I will happily give you the definitions.

    We are talking about constructions which semantically are assumed to involve a main clause and a subordinate clause. In raising, a logical argument of the embedded verb (generally the subject) materializes on the surface as a syntactic argument of the main verb (subject in the case of SSR, object in the case of SOR). It does not however get a thematic role from the main verb (this is the essential point).

    Examples:

    SSR "tend". "Anna tends to sleep in class." - Anna is the syntactic subject of "tend", but gets its theta role from "sleep".

    SOR "believe". "Anna believes John to love Mary." (Actually slightly awkward English, but it illustrates the point) - John is the syntactic object of "believe", but gets its theta role from "love".

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    Thank you so much for your answer. I was starting to believe i didn't put the question in the right place.
    It is not completely clear for me now but i've made an idea, wich is more that i had when i saw the question. I will save your explanation and try to use it myself on other examples i will meet. Anyway this was the first time i've heard of it.
    Thank you so much
    And if you started in romanian, i will end the same
    O zi buna (have a nice day)

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    Re: SSR or SOR trigger verb

    That would be to continue and to imagine SSR and to beg SOR
    Don't think any others fit the bill.

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    Re: SSR or SOR trigger verb

    I should have mentioned that it is important to distinguish these "raising" verbs from the superficially very similar Equi or Control verbs. The difference is that in the latter constructions, the NP concerned (italicized below) takes a thematic role from the matrix verb as well as one from the embedded verb. Examples would be "try" (Subject Equi) and "persuade" (Object Equi):

    (i) David tried to pass the exam.
    (ii) David persuaded the examiner to give him a good grade.

    The dividing line between raising and equi can be a bit unclear. But for my money, "beg" gives a theta role to its object, and therefore counts as "object equi".

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    Re: SSR or SOR trigger verb

    Anna ( agent ) believes John ( Recipient )

    This is why they stick to tend and persuade in text books.

    I was thinking of: I begged John to stay. Best I could come up with quickly.

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    Re: SSR or SOR trigger verb

    Quote Originally Posted by Pedroski View Post
    Anna ( agent ) believes John ( Recipient )
    Believing a person has a completely different thematic structure from believing a proposition. In the raising example, "believe" assigns a thematic role to the whole embedded proposition or situation (the thing believed). The superficial object of "believe", in such a sentence, is in no way a recipient of belief.

    Example: "Mary believes John to be a liar."
    Last edited by orangutan; 30-Jun-2009 at 15:07.

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    Re: SSR or SOR trigger verb

    What do you think is the object of Anna believes ... It is the whole Inf phrase

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    Re: SSR or SOR trigger verb

    John is the O; the inf clause is the object complement.

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    Re: SSR or SOR trigger verb

    Quote Originally Posted by mariananeagu View Post
    hi there again
    waiting for the answer on my first problem, i found another one
    i have a list of questions for my exam tomorow, and i will put two of them, maybe you can help.....i didn't find the definition anywhere..

    Which of the following verbs is a SSR trigger:
    to conclude
    to imagine
    to continue
    to attest

    and the second is

    Which of the following verbs is a SOR trigger:
    to grow
    to stay
    to beg
    to commence

    thank you
    Maybe this might help:

    They try to run
    ltry: subject control verb or equi verb
    lthey is agent argument of both try and run


    They tend to run

    ltend: raising verb
    lthey is agent argument only of run, not of tend


    John persuaded Mary to own Fido

    lpersuade: object control verb
    lMary is direct object of persuaded, but semantically both patient of persuaded and agent of to own Fido


    John believed Mary to own Fido

    lbelieve: object raising verb
    lMary is the direct object of believed and subject of to own Fido


    See more here

    [PPT] Complement Structures Equi and Raising

    File Format: Microsoft Powerpoint - View as HTML
    there is no “TENDER” (subject raising) or “BELIEVEE” (object raising) ... list element of the VP complement is structure shared with the raising controller ...
    www.sfs.uni-tuebingen.de/~fr/teaching/ws07-08/.../janina-kopp.ppt -

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