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    Default Re: Gerund vs Infinitive

    Quote Originally Posted by bhaisahab View Post
    Would you say: The police cleared the road for the Queen's passing by.
    or:
    The police cleared the road for the Queen's entourage to pass by.
    I'd be more likely to say: The police cleared the road so the Queen could pass by. OR ... to let the Queen pass by.
    But that's avoiding the question.
    Are we talking about usage or grammatical correctness?
    I have to agree with svartnik that it's grammatically correct.
    I would never say the original sentence ... for her passing through, no matter how grammatical it was.

    Here's another example with 'passing' as a gerund:
    Doctor, I'm having trouble with my passing water.
    Yes, 'I'm having trouble passing water' would be more common.

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    Gerunds are a headache for anyone Yun. No one really knows where the English language is going with them, for all the confident talk. They can be nouns that take subjects and objects and assign case!!
    There are two types: Nominal and verbal.
    There are three verbal types: Accusative -ing, Possesive -ing, and PRO-ing.

    If anyone tells you A) or B) is wrong, without an explanation, it is because they don't know and are guessing. A) is awkward, but not wrong.

    Was it you who asked about 'I want the photos for sending to my sister'?
    This is a quote from a paper by Robert Malouf, summarizing the properties of gerunds.
    (13) a. A verbal gerund takes the same complements as the verb from
    which it is derived.

    b. Verbal gerunds are modifed by adverbs and not by adjectives.
    c. The entire verbal gerund phrase has the external distribution of an
    NP.

    d. The subject of the gerund is optional and, if present, can be either
    a genitive or an accusative NP.

    The properties in (13) are shared by accusative subject (acc
    -ing ), genitive subject (poss-ing ), and subjectless (pro
    -ing ) verbal gerund phrases and are not shared by any other English constructions. The three types of verbal gerunds seem to be subtypes of a single common construction type, and any analysis of verbal gerunds ought to be able account for their similarities in a systematic way.

    If you ever find a good explanation for the properties of gerunds, please let me know!

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    Default Re: Gerund vs Infinitive

    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post
    Bhai, the 'passing' in 'passing through' is a gerund.
    The police cleared the road for the Queen's passing by.
    Dear Raymott,

    Basically, my question is whether gerund can be used or not in this syntax.
    Someone explained to me that the doorman is holding the door for her not for the action of passing through, so it is incorrect.
    How about your example?
    The police cleared the road for the Queen's passing by.
    Is this correct?
    Then I don't think his explanation is appropriate.

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    Default Re: Gerund vs Infinitive

    Quote Originally Posted by yun View Post
    dear raymott,

    basically, my question is whether gerund can be used or not in this syntax.
    yes it can.

    someone explained to me that the doorman is holding the door for her not for the action of passing through, so it is incorrect.
    no, in your sentence, he's holding it for the action of her passing through.
    he's holding it for her passing through, not (in grammar) for her.

    how about your example?
    The police cleared the road for the queen's passing by.
    Is this correct?
    would i have given it as an example if i thought it wasn't?
    no one has yet said that it's wrong.

    then i don't think his explanation is appropriate.
    no do i, if you have represented it correctly.
    grammatically, the police are not clearing the road for the queen, but for her passing by.
    r.

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    Dear Raymott,

    How about this?

    (A) I studied hard for (my) passing the exam.
    (B) I studied hard to pass the exam.

    (A) sounds awkward, doesn't it?

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    Default Re: Gerund vs Infinitive

    Quote Originally Posted by bhaisahab View Post
    (A) The doorman held the door for her passing through.

    What part of speech, in your opinion, is 'passing' in this sentence?
    A noun.

    Quote Originally Posted by engee30 View Post
    The question is whether you would say like that, svartnik.
    Quote Originally Posted by yun View Post
    Q1. If both sentences are grammatically correct?

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    Default Re: Gerund vs Infinitive

    Quote Originally Posted by yun View Post
    Dear Raymott,

    How about this?

    (A) I studied hard for (my) passing the exam.
    (B) I studied hard to pass the exam.

    (A) sounds awkward, doesn't it?
    It sounds abominable.

    It appears though that svartnik would say anything that could be supported by a grammar book.
    He must have some interesting conversations . :)

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    Default Re: Gerund vs Infinitive

    I was wrong to say that it is incorrect. As has been clearly pointed out by several members, it is grammatically correct. To me it looks and sounds wrong but I should have taken more time to reflect on it.

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    Default Re: Gerund vs Infinitive

    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post
    It sounds abominable.
    Dear Raymott,

    I am sorry to keep asking questions.
    But, could you give an explanation why the first sentence is terrible?
    What's wrong with the gerund in here?

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    Default Re: Gerund vs Infinitive

    Quote Originally Posted by yun View Post
    Dear Raymott,

    I am sorry to keep asking questions.
    But, could you give an explanation why the first sentence is terrible?
    What's wrong with the gerund in here?
    No, I don't think I can make it any clearer.
    It sounds terrible because we don't say it that way.
    Maybe someone else could expand even further, but I think the thread already tells the whole story.

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